When Will the Believing Be Leaving?– Priest Billy Crone

For even more Olive Tree Ministries Resources go here: http://www.olivetreeviews.org. Jan Markell and also Eric Barger invest the hr with Priest Billy Crone reviewing the Rapture and also Rapture timing. They shoot down those that take down the scriptural pre-Tribulation Rapture and also clarify why. The Adversity courts the pagan globe and also brings Israel to confidence. There is complication partially due to the fact that today’s church is quiet. Listen to the mockers call the “blessed hope” the“blasted hope” We suggest his publication and also DVD items on this concern and also various other subjects discovered at www.getalifemedia.com. We utilize the mobile application discovered athttp://www.oneplace.com.

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  1. I had to stop my car when I heard you say that Noah on the Ark is like the Rapture, whereas God would've had him build a submarine to be saved “through” it. That's the stupidest analogy I've ever heard. God didn't take Noah to heaven for a year. He told him to build a boat. Do you think Noah didn't experience any turbulent waters that whole time? Do you think he didn't get cabin fever, or weary of eating the same food constantly, or tired of the smell? The Ark is big, but not that big. You cannot draw a meaningful comparison between the Rapture and the Flood.

  2. I love how pre-Tribbers just KNOW they're in Philadelphia and not, say, Smyrna.

    “And to the angel of the church in Smyrna write: ‘The words of the first and the last, who died and came to life. I know your tribulation and your poverty (but you are rich) and the slander of those who say that they are Jews and are not, but are a synagogue of Satan. Do not fear what you are about to suffer. Behold, the devil is about to throw some of you into prison, that you may be tested, and for ten days you will have tribulation. Be faithful unto death, and I will give you the crown of life. He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. The one who conquers will not be hurt by the second death.’”—Revelation 2:8-11

  3. I really think this has to do more with an awful lot of Christians just not wanting to leave this planet…..more than it has to do with theology. I have had so many conversations with Christians who basically say: "Of course I want Jesus to come back SOME DAY, but I have so I want to do before I die. I've made plans and I'm sure that God wants me to live a full life."

    I'm 52 years old, but I remember after I became a believer at the age of 15……I have ALWAYS had a burning desire to go and be with Jesus. At the age of 18, with my "whole life" in front of me……I would have chosen to be with Jesus over living in this world in a heartbeat. Sadly, I just do not see that kind of attitude with 90% of the Christians I know. I used to think it was because they just did not understand how wonderful the promises regarding our future really are. But they DO know. And yet they still would rather plod around in this sin cursed world.

    What really shocks me is that people with young children would rather them grow up in this godless environment than be safely in Jesus' arms. My wife and I pray each and every night: "Oh Father, please send Yeshua to come and take us home!" Hopefully, soon we will be with our Savior!!!!!!!

  4. EVERY One who Believes in Christ will even must Die , NO Flesh Shill stand Before Him for all has sinned , we go at our time , our allotted time Did He not say He would Meet us in the Air , That would Be Our Time , as in Just You at your Time of Death its been like this since Cain killed Abel one at a time some times he will take a group , He Makes it a Personal Relationship you know , and the world looks on as he comes and takes his people to Paradise , TODAY you Will be With Me in Paradise , No one Go's to Heaven Yet but Him that is from There … Paradise for us , … For Heaven will come upon you , not you upon Heaven , And I saw a New Heaven and a New Earth "Paradise the New Garden" the whole earth and the father is in it all , for the old has passed away , For Heaven and Earth Shill Pass away But My words will Never pass away … The World Will Never Know of the Last Man out of Has church ,Who Knows the Mind of a Man but the Man and God , its not for anyone to say … That Would Be Blasphemy its be on them , … Did He Not Say , NO man Knows the Day or the Hour , But Only the Father … Only Two Will be Here on Earth as Witnesses , You Will not be Here to see Them or will you be only you and God would know that …

  5. For Israel, Jeremiah 30:7, Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it: it is even the time of Jacob's trouble, but he (Israel) shall be saved OUT OF IT. For the church, Revelation 3:10, Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee
    from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.

  6. I'm young and I want Jesus to come IMMEDIATELY! I DESPISE THIS WORLD! Also, I don't know any TRUE believer who doesn't want the Rapture to occur right now. If anyone loves this life, doesn't the Bible say they'll lose it? Therefore, true Christians want an imminent Rapture.

  7. Another one of the first-string players on the pre-trib rapture
    team is the doctrine of 'The Imminent Return of Christ'. This pillar
    of the pre-trib theory firmly states that Christ *may come at any
    moment to snatch away the Church.

    The true meaning of the word 'imminent' implies an impending
    or 'overhanging' event that *will happen very soon. Someone
    whose death is imminent will not be alive weeks from now. The
    deception of this doctrine begins with its very name.
    *They change the definition of the word
    imminent from 'will' happen at any moment to 'may'
    happen at any moment. (let's just make words mean
    whatever fits our story!) Something that 'may'
    happen is not considered imminent. This is not a
    correct usage of the word, but using the word
    imminent impacts you with its true 'impending' or
    'over hanging' definition, and gives more clout to
    their teaching. This improper usage of the word
    'imminent' in the pre-trib rapture theory is missed by
    most people. Quite subtle, huh?

    I have a question which makes rapture theorists uneasy because
    of where it leads to. When did the rapture become 'imminent'? I
    would like to know if it became imminent in modern times, in
    medieval times, in the days of the early Church, or was it imminent
    from the day Christ ascended? This is a very important
    consideration because they all say, 'The Bible teaches the doctrine
    of 'Imminent Return' and the Church has always believed it!'.

    The point of my question is that in order for the Scriptures to
    have always taught the rapture is imminent it would have to had
    been imminent when they were written. That may take a moment
    to sink in, but please let it do so. Because if it did not come from
    the Scriptures where DID it come from? If we can absolutely prove
    it did not, that means their claim the rapture has always been
    imminent is just one more bald faced lie of the pre-trib theory!.

    First off, if it was imminent at that time it would have happened
    at that time! (Oops! I forgot they changed the meaning of
    imminent from 'will happen' to 'may happen'. Sorry, move along
    people!)

    But seriously, the reason we know the Scriptures were not
    written from a viewpoint of imminence is they were given us by
    the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit knew that many events must take
    place before Jesus could return. And it would have been out of
    accord with the truth to give the Church the impression Christ's
    Return was imminent.

    The Holy Spirit, who guided the writing of the Scriptures, knew
    many things must transpire before the Coming: Peter dying as an
    old man, a dearth prophesied by Agabus, the Gospel preached in
    all the world, chariots with flaming torches (headlights?) that can
    run like lightning, the rebirth of the nation of Israel, rise of a
    religion that forbids marriage and meat eating, false Christs, false
    prophets, a falling away and the man of sin being revealed, and so
    on, and so on. If all these things, and many others, had to come to
    pass first the Scriptures could not have been written to teach his
    Return was at hand because it absolutely was not.

    How could you study the Bible for years and not see the great
    number of prophesies which must be fulfilled before the Church
    departs? But to turn loose of this concept of imminent return
    unravels a large section of the pre-trib theory; so a willful
    ignorance must be adopted by those confronted with the truth of
    this matter. An allegiance with a doctrine is chosen over an
    allegiance to the truth. How sad that so many make this choice!

    Here is something you may have never caught on to before. Paul
    and Jesus both warned us against listening to people preaching an
    imminent return of Christ! Here is Paul's warning:

    …be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither
    by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that
    the day of Christ is at hand. 3 Let no man deceive you by
    any means… 2Thessalonians 2:2-3

    The words at hand in this passage mean 'impending' which is
    also the meaning of the word 'imminent'. You can take out the
    words 'at hand' and insert the word 'imminent' without altering the
    meaning of the verse an iota. Paul was saying, Don't let anyone tell
    you the Return of Christ and our gathering together unto him is
    imminent!' He goes on to explain what must transpire first.

    Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall
    not come, except there come a falling away first, and
    that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
    2Thessalonians 2:3

    Here is a similar warning from the Lord Jesus himself:
    And he said, Take heed that ye be not deceived: for
    many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and
    the time draweth near: go ye not therefore after them.
    Luke 21:8

    This was not a warning about following false Christs; but about
    those coming in Jesus name, claiming Jesus is Christ, and
    preaching deception about his return

    Do you get that? This is a warning from Jesus about deceived
    believers proclaiming the time of his Return is upon us! This is
    very clear instruction from the Lord we are not to follow people
    preaching falsehoods like the doctrine of his 'Imminent Return'.
    What did he say if they come preaching imminence? '…go ye not
    therefore after them'. He said, 'don't follow them'!

    Do you get that? This is a warning from Jesus about deceived
    believers proclaiming the time of his Return is upon us! This is
    very clear instruction from the Lord we are not to follow people
    preaching falsehoods like the doctrine of his 'Imminent Return'.
    What did he say if they come preaching imminence? '…go ye not
    therefore after them'. He said, 'don't follow them'!

    This is from a .pdf by Paul Benson: http://www.paulbenson.me/uploads/7/2/0/0/72003743/a_bucket_full_of_holes_1.pdf

    The Pre-Trib crowd won't read this .pdf, but it answers several questions concerning this false teaching.

  8. Pastor Crone starts by talking about the rain and a boat. When in the boat hopefully you have on the Full Armor of God (lifevest)). If you remove the lifevest and get into the waters of Pre_Trib I hope your a good swimmer.

  9. There are so many of these Pre-Trib sites out there that it's hard for those seeking to truth. People like those referenced in this video plus Pastor J.D. or Mike Vlach and many others within the last few years.

    This site is one of those leading in the false theory of the Pre-Trib. Where does one start to counter this falsehood? I read and listen to people on this site, and others and my heart cries out for the Holy Spirit to lead these people to the truth.

    Let me list of teachers, scholars etc. that don't agree with the Pretribulation theory. The following is from an article by Paul Benson, http://www.paulbenson.me/post-trib-quotes.html The list is quite long so I will only list a few. Paul Benson to the Pre-Trib is sorta like Dr. Martin was to the JWs', “ A thorn in their side.”

    Hermas (40-140): “Those, therefore, who continue steadfast, and are put
    through the fire [of the Great Tribulation that is yet to come], will be
    purified by means of it….Wherefore cease not speaking these things into
    the ears OF THE SAINTS…” (The Pastor of Hermas, Vision 4).

    Irenaeus (140-202): “And they [the ten kings who shall arise] shall lay
    Babylon waste, and burn her with fire, and shall give their kingdom to
    the beast, and put the CHURCH to flight” (Against Heresies, V, 26).

    Tertullian (150-220): “The souls of the martyrs are taught to wait [Rev.
    6]…that the beast Antichrist with his false prophet may wage war on the
    CHURCH of God…” (On the Resurrection of the Flesh, 25).

    Hippolytus (160-240): “…the one thousand two hundred and three score
    days (the half of the week) during which the tyrant is to reign and
    persecute the CHURCH, which flees from city to city, and seeks
    concealment in the wilderness among the mountains” (Treatise on Christ
    and Antichrist, 61).

    Jerome (340-420): “I told you that Christ would not come unless
    Antichrist had come BEFORE” (Epistle 21).

    Augustine (354-430): “But he who reads this passage [Daniel 12], EVEN
    HALF ASLEEP, cannot fail to see that the kingdom of Antichrist shall
    fiercely, though for a short time, assail the CHURCH…” (The City of God,
    XX, 23).

    George Whitefield (1714-1770): “…’while the bridegroom tarried,’ in the
    space of time which passeth between our Lord’s ascension AND HIS COMING
    AGAIN TO JUDGMENT…” (Gillies’ Memoirs of Rev. George Whitefield, p.
    471).

    Adam Clarke (1762-1832): “We which are alive, and remain…he [Paul] is
    speaking of the genuine Christians which shall be found ON EARTH when
    Christ comes TO JUDGMENT” (Commentary, Vol. VI, p. 550).

    George Mueller (1805-1898): “The Scripture declares PLAINLY that the
    Lord Jesus will not come until the Apostacy shall have taken place, and
    the man of sin…shall have been revealed…” (Mrs. Mueller’s Missionary
    Tours and Labours, p. 148).

    Benjamin W. Newton (1805-1898): “The SECRET Rapture was bad enough, but
    this [John Darby’s equally novel idea that the book of Matthew is on
    ‘Jewish’ ground instead of ‘Church’ ground] was WORSE” (unpublished Fry
    MS. and F. Roy Coad’s Prophetic Developments, p. 29).

    A. H. Strong (1836-1921): “The final coming of Christ is referred to in:
    Mat. 24:30…[AND] I Thess.4:16…” (Systematic Theology, p. 567).

    Norman S. MacPherson (1899-1980): “…the view that the Church will not
    pass into or through the Great Tribulation is based largely upon
    ARBITRARY INTERPRETATIONS of obscure passages” (Triumph Through
    Tribulation, p. 5).

    Other articles or videos to dispel the theory of the Pretribulation: “A Bucket full of holes'”/ Paul Benson; “The Rapture and Daniel's 70th Week unveiled”/ Cony Brown (Although he gets into a lot of dating that is controversial in itself); A 12 session series by David Nathan on u-tube, 'Eschatology 2017”

    Yes! No one knows the time or the hour but as learned Christians we can know the Seasons. (Matt 24)Don't be deceived!
    Also, refer to 2 Peter 3:8, “But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.” Many scholars will tell us that the copying of numbers from scribe to scribe can make up the greatest numbers of errors in translations; especially in the Old Testament.

  10. It is NOT a red herring to question a doctrine that is not clearly spelled out in scripture. It's being a BEREAN. What Jan and the other pre-trib/pre-millennial dispensational teachers would like, is for everybody to just open up and swallow what they say without question. Anyone who dares to question their view is not a Berean, but worthy of scorn.

    Meanwhile you guys use the same silly arguments. One of your biggest arguments for a pre-trib rapture is you state the WORD "church" is missing from Revelation 4 onward. Hmmm. I guess it's perfectly ok for YOU to assume that since the word "church" is missing from those passages, that means the church is missing from planet earth??? LOL. I thought I missing word was a red herrring!

    See how these people argue? They don't argue from scripture, they argue from a hard idolatrous stance and twist the Bible to fit it.

    And John Darby DID popularize the pre-trib position, and he DID create the idea of a future 7 years of prophesy for Israel and he DID create modern dispensationalism. That's a FACT. Get over it.

  11. I'm just frustrated with those that believe in partial raptures; that those not watching or those that aren't holy enough won't make the rapture, but if they die as a result of a car or plane crash caused by it will be go to Heaven because they are saved. No one should excuse a "cheap grace" lifestyle, but if you are the true church you are the bride.

  12. For people who wants to read some of my latest posts, my facebook user name is Jordan River with river Jordan as my logo. I think I find out why God uses time, times and half time instead of a year, years and half year.

  13. I have come across so many Christians here on You Tube who are VIRULENTLY and sometimes VICIOUSLY anti-Pre-Trib Rapture!!!  Why do you think it is SO HARD for these people to even CONSIDER the possibility of the Pre-Trib Rapture??  Anyone???!

  14. 2nd Peter 1:13 “I consider it right, as long as I am in this earthly dwelling, to stir you up by way of reminder, knowing that the laying aside of my earthly dwelling is imminent, as also our Lord Jesus Christ has made clear to me. And I will also be diligent that at any time after my departure you will be able to call these things to mind.”

    The Lord could come for us at anytime.

  15. Hosea in Hosea 6:2 prophesied that he would be revived and restored after two days. After old testament saints died, they went to paradise because their sin was covered but not forgiven. They couldn't go to third heaven where God dwells. It was until Jesus came and die on Passover,went to paradise while he was buried, and took all the old testament saints including Hosea with him to third heaven. The two days Hosea prophesied are Passover and unleavened bread. Right now he is waiting for the third day resurrection. The third day is first fruit. This is why I believe rapture shall take place on first fruit.

  16. 1 Peter 4:12-18
    Beloved, think it not strange concerning the fiery trial which is to try you, as though some strange thing happened to you: But rejoice, inasmuch as you are partakers of Christ's sufferings; that, when his glory shall be revealed, you may be glad also with exceeding joy. If you be reproached for the name of Christ, happy are you; for the spirit of glory and of God rests on you: on their part he is evil spoken of, but on your part he is glorified. But let none of you suffer as a murderer, or as a thief, or as an evildoer, or as a busybody in other men's matters. Yet if any man suffer as a Christian, let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this behalf. For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?
    And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?

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