What Is Occurring On September 23?

Complete program right here: https://goo.gl/yjnNOy. Jan Markell chats with Priest Billy Crone regarding just what some are calling the start of the Rapture of the Church. Priest Crone as well as Jan talk particularly regarding why this is simply one more day setup pattern that will certainly not occur.


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  1. So if I'm understanding Billy correct, he thinks the Rev. 12 sign is a past event? And that the woman clothed with the sun with the moon under her feet doesn't represent anything in the sky? 😳🙄🤔. OK!!!!

  2. Jan Markell. Do yourself a huge favor and have Scott Clark on from ERF ministry. He is well versed and capable regarding this celestial alignment that matches the description of Revelation 12. Let Scott put the cards on the table and let viewers decide. Scott will tell you himself he is not setting this date. The significance of this alignment is precisely because it lands during one of Gods appointed feast. This is God giving us the dates to watch, (not the other way around) and through the eyes of modern technology, Scott found this match to what John described in the book of Revelation. Doesn't this sound like what it says in Daniel, seal up this prophecy until the time of the end? Until a time when knowledge shall be increased, and now through the eyes of technology anyone who wants to see it, CAN see it. Jesus admonished the teachers of His time for NOT discerning the signs of His first coming by looking at the signs in the heavens. It seems like the same is going on here. Do the right thing a let Scott render one of the most remarkable teachings of our time. Jan, you don't have to own the teaching, but to be fair you should let ALL the cards be played. I can't continue listening to your programs if you refuse to be fair on this very critical issue.

  3. Just lost respect for Crone and Markell…. this IS NOT astrology ….you can't get any more simple then a literal sign in the heaven, literal moon literal Sun literal stars….don't make God's word symbolic….you both did not do your homework….thing are happening…. Trumps son in law is over in Israel TODAY trying to get a covenant ….like Moses warning folks for 120 yrs and then the flood…. Moses said in Genesis that a generation is 120 yrs. and the fig tree budded in 1897 ….the first Zionest Congress!

  4. Where does the bible say not to set a date? Sorry, but it doesn't say that, Billy Crone.

    Secondly, the book of revelation is a book of future events (prophecy), and not a history lessen. Billy Crone is a fake!

  5. Everyone keeps bringing up Scott Clarke. He has STRONGLY STATED he doesn't believe in imminence, he believes in date setting. SCOTT CLARKE IS A DATE-SETTER and there are going to be dire consequences just like Markell and Crone are saying. Clarke's observations about the sign in the heavens and how it correlates with Revelation 12 is very interesting and it could be a sign of several things simultaneously, the Bible does that a lot (repeats through types and signs). But Scott Clarke is definitely doing something wrong by getting people excited about a rapture event. He's WRONG and he's going to embarrass himself and a lot of people who are following him.

  6. I get the skepticism… however… Billy Crone never really did his homework on the topic. Billy Crone is mostly good… but he really mishandled the depth of this topic. I guess I was disappointed with four aspects:

    1. No one has really claimed that they are setting a date… It's mostly been about how eerily similar this event matches Rev 12. What is it a sign for?

    2. I don't think that this is astrology when God, in the book of Job, mentions constellations.

    3. Billy Krone is uninformed about the regularity of this event…Someone created a video several months back saying that they researched 6 or 7 years into the past and couldn't duplicate it.

    4. Billy Krone doesn't address the actual word used in Rev 12, as it relates to the child being "snatched up." It can't match a description of Jesus in the past… who is described as "Ascending" into heaven. Why is "Harpazo" used in Rev 12?

    Recommendation… Billy Krone do more homework on Scott Clark's youtube channel and challenge his works and study. Scott Clark makes a lot of good points that need to be addressed by more scholars. Billy Krone needs to stop "googling" and searching random youtube channels to see what people are saying about i. Instead, he should focus on what Scott Clark is saying… he has covered the topic thoroughly and needs to be challenged for better discussion on the topic.

  7. My KJV study Bible states in the notes that verse 1 is the only Biblical background for this vision is Gen 37:9-10. There Joseph sees the sun, moon, and 11 stars bowing down to him. Jacob suggests the obvious meaning as being that Joseph saw his father (Jacob the sun), mother (Leah, the moon), and 11 brothers (11 Stars) bowing down to him. It seems that John is here taking an OT picture of Israel and projecting it into the future. This woman represents Israel in the tribulation. Verse 2: The similar language describing the rebirth of Jerusalem in Isaiah 66:7 (see Micah 4:10). This woman, Israel, gives birth to Jesus Christ the Messiah. It is unlikely that the woman represents the church because the church is pictured in Scripture as the "bride," not the "mother," of Christ. Verse 5: A man child. The Messiah. Caught up unto God. The ascension of Christ, (inferring this was at his first coming.)

  8. just showing how little research was done on this theory. I've got a serious peeve for those who espouse 'biblical tradition' over prayerful, personal biblical analysis.

  9. An excellent article that thoroughly and skillfully addresses all the "concerns" of Pastor Crone. I hope, Ms. Markell (and everyone else) you will take the time to read it (especially Point#7) http://www.unsealed.org/2017/05/the-celestial-c-section-defense-of.html

    The "Comment" section is excellent, also. I am copying here part of a comment by Jonathan Cooper who perfectly nails the "No man knows …" issue:

    Regarding "no man knows": Paul said that the doctrine of the rapture was a "mystery". Arnold Frutchenbaum, in his excellent Footsteps of the Messiah, does a great job of demonstrating that "mystery" refers to a new doctrine that had never been revealed before. Therefore, when Jesus gave the Olivet Discourse He was not addressing the Rapture – that was still a sealed doctrine. Given that He talks about the abomination of desolation and His return after that event, it becomes clear Jesus is discussing the Second Coming, not the Rapture. It is true that in Acts 1:7 Jesus said it was not for His disciples to know the times and seasons – but after all of His disciples died except for the apostle John, the Lord came to John in order to give him a revelation of things that must shortly take place. What was once hidden doctrine was now being unsealed. Jesus has revealed to us a mystery that He did not even reveal to His apostles (except John, of course).

  10. I'm so disappointed with this video. Nobody is setting a date. If anybody is setting a date it is God since his sun, moon & planets are aligning on this date. Man cannot control this, we just have to know that God is showing us something. The bible says there will be "great" signs in the heavens in the last days and John described this as a "great" sign in the heavens. I don't think it's a coincidence that this sign happens on Shabbat Shuva and also one day after Rosh Hashanah. Don't be so fast to discount this planetary alignment, I definitely think God is showing us something.

  11. Date setting aside, I think Jan makes an excellent point about how some Christians are treating each other. I am seeing more and more Christians arguing with each other over Pre/Mid/Post rapture and are so zealous to make their point on numerous web sites that I see very little concern about evangelizing, which is what Jesus told us, the church, to do. I know Christians that pretty much break fellowship with other Christians if they don't believe xyz, none of which are salvation issues. The Sept. 23 issue is turning into another one of those – right here in these comments Christians are slinging mud at those who don't agree with them. As I heard the late Walter Martin say, "You certainly have the right to disagree with my opinion of (xyz), but please allow me the same right and, even if we disagree on non-salvation issues, we can still love each other."

  12. The statement that this sign in the heavens happens regularly is true but from what I have understood everything aligning to the Revelation sign particularly Jupiter remaining in the womb for such a long gestation period (I think 9 or 10 months) rather than the regular just passing through the womb has not happened if not mistaken in the last 7,000 years.

  13. I do not think the Revelation 12 proponents are arguing against the woman being Israel. They argue as far as I can ascertain that the woman (Israel) conceived the church (the body of the Messiah) at Pentecost and about to give birth to the church after a 2,000 year gestation period. The child after birth is then raptured and is reunited with Jesus being the head of the body. The church is likened to to a child as we are all children of the light (1 Thess. 5:5). The woman Israel then flees in the tribulation period when the antichrist chases after to destroy her.

    Throughout scriptures many prophecies have a DUAL prophecy aspect.

  14. The actual event is setting it's own date…..It's a sign….why a sign?…so we will know we are near….what happens, only God knows…also…Crone is telling us what makes the moon red….volcanic activity….I've never read that in scripture…I've made my point….

  15. This particular "convergence" (clothed with the sun + moon at her feet + Jupiter in retrograde motion in Virgo + the 9 stars of Leo joined by 3 planets [wandering stars] to form a crown of 12 stars) is NOT seen every 11 years. Parts of it, yes, are cyclical. But not this complete convergence.

  16. For me, the only thing shocking about this is the comments section. When people decide to believe the latest thing, even if it flies in the face of the very Word of God (i.e., date-setting), they flock to videos like this with the sole purpose of playing the devil's advocate.

    And speaking of the devil; he sure has had a field day with date-setters, over the years. It's one of the things he likes to employ to chip away at the credibility of Christians, causing us to appear foolish to unsaved onlookers. Rather than listen to the things said in this video and then take them to an open Bible and to some time alone in a prayer closet, many of you are simply giving knee-jerk responses to a viewpoint that opposes your own.

    One must ask: why are you so passionate about yet another date-setting? If September 23 comes and goes with no Rapture occurring, will any of you come back to this video and amend any of your comments about Jan Markell and Billy Crone? Probably not.

    Will you jump on the next date-setting thing the enemy tosses onto YouTube? You just might.

    There is no need to reply to me with yet another tired, drawn-out presentation of all the wonders to behold on September 23rd. Believe me, I've been inundated with it. Jesus will come for us when He comes for us. He is not the slave of calendars, feasts or stars. He is God. He will come when He chooses and "at a moment when you think not".

  17. Those who hold to the Revelation 12 sign are definitely not practicing astrology. They are believing what the Scripture says: Psalm 19:1-4, Genesis 1:14 (Note: "seasons" = appointed times, sacred times).

  18. Rev 4:1. John was told that he would see "what must take place after this." Revelation 12 comes after Revelation 4. Therefore, what he sees in Revelation 12 is an event that was to occur after Revelation 4. So Rev. 12 could not be a picture of the physical birth of Christ, as he states, because that happened far before John wrote Revelation. Yes, it is also what so many other commentators believe(d), but what does the scripture say?

    By the way, H. Ironside believed that Rev. 12 was a proof-text of the Pre-Trib Rapture and was not speaking of the Lord's physical birth. https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/isn/revelation-12.html

  19. Israel 26:20-21
    Come my people enter thou into thy Chambers,
    (rapture) and shut thy doors about thee:hide thyself as it were for a
    little moment, until the Indignation (Tribulation) be overpast. For,
    behold, the Lord cometh out of his place (2nd coming) to punish the
    inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity, the earth also shall
    disclose her blood and shall no more cover her slain.
    When does
    this happen? Verse 27:17-18 tells you when. Like as a WOMAN WITH CHILD,
    that draweth near the time of her delivery, is in pain and crieth out
    in her Pangs, so have we been in they sight O'Lord.
    Woman with Child like in Revelation 12 sign

  20. Revelation 12 / 12 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars: 2 And she being with CHILD cried, TRAIVAILING in birth, and pained to be delivered.Micah 5:3 3 Therefore will he give them up, until the time that she which TRAIVAILETH hath brought forth: then the remnant of his brethren shall return unto the children of Israel.1st Thess 5:4 For when they say Peace and Safety; then SUDDEN destruction cometh upon them as TRAIVAIL upon a WOMAN with CHILD.
    Jeremiah 49:23-24 Concerning Damascus, Hamath is confounded and Arpad: for they have heard evil tidings: they are fainthearted; there is sorrow on the sea it cannot be quiet. Damascus is waxed feeble and turneth herself to flee and fear
    hath seized on her; anguish and sorrows have TAKEN HER, as a WOMAN IN TRAVAIL.

  21. Bottom line guys, it says Heaven, not Heavens.
    This is in the thrown room of the Lord God Almighty.

    I am not attacking people who disagree, and there is no need to attack the author of this article.

  22. Referring back to Mathew 2 about the Magi (wise men) who saw the star in the sky. Mathew 2:10 "when they saw the star, they were overjoyed" . By faith they packed up and set off for a distant land… My brothers and Sisters let us remember that these were gentiles who were commended by God because they're act of faith/wisdom were added in the scriptures. The holy spirit wanted us read this. Let us take a moment to think the amount of faith they must of had to make a (MANY DAYS) journey simply by ( knowing that the Messiahs arrival was near (BOOK of Daniel), and seeing the star)… Its tremendous privilege to be living in these final days. The thought of Revelation 12 being fulfilled on Sept 23 makes the hair on the back of my neck stand up/my heart skips a beat, etc.. Let us be Bereans and study the scriptures. Its likely that these magi did not grow up in churches/synagogues, and the Jews which did in those days did not rejoice when they saw the star and were held accountable for this.

  23. Pastor Crone is incorrect in labeling it "astrology" when it is actually "astronomy"…. he clearly does not understand the difference. In his analysis, he has shown that he is not informed as to much of the detailed study which was done by Scott Clarke…. and has made flippant assumptions based on his own skewed perceptions.


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