Les Feldick Why We Depend On a Pre Trib Rapture # 1

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  1. Les, you along with so many others have been mislead and continue to mislead people. Never ever believe that you will be snatched away from any tribulation. Tell China, India and other countries where Christians are getting their heads chopped off. Onky in America is the pre trib preached. No other country can possibly preach this nonsense while they run for their lives.

  2. 1 Thessalonians 2:1-4King James Version (KJV)

    2 For yourselves, brethren, know our entrance in unto you, that it was not in vain:

    2 But even after that we had suffered before, and were shamefully entreated, as ye know, at Philippi, we were bold in our God to speak unto you the gospel of God with much contention.

    3 For our exhortation was not of deceit, nor of uncleanness, nor in guile:

    4 But as we were allowed of God to be put in trust with the gospel, even so we speak; not as pleasing men, but God, which trieth our hearts.

  3. I wish there was a pre-trib rapture but it just isn't Biblical. Paul tells us there will be a 'falling away' before Christ returns. Jesus tells us our faith must 'endure' to the end. When the greatest tribulation of the church comes and the 'pretrib' rapture doesn't happen there WILL be Christians that 'fall away' whose faith does NOT 'endure'. Those teaching a pretrib rapture are actually helping satan by having the church unprepared for what lies ahead, and its coming soon. Sharing the gospel of salvation is great, however we must help KEEP Christian's saved by teaching the truth of the coming tribulation. I wish there was a pretrib rapture but it's not biblical, neither is 'once saved always saved' and neither is calvinism/predestination. We have free will and our faith must endure much of the great tribulation. Praise Jesus, He tells us the tribulation will be shortened for the elects sake! We don't go thru the entire 42 months after the abomination of desolation!

    I'm part of a ministry at http://www.FinalWordoftheLord.com. We believe the rapture is pre-wrath (around the 36th month after the abomination of desolation), not pre-trib mid-trib or post-trib. We're currently looking for anyone willing to have a round table discussion by conference phone call that believes other than pre-wrath. It would be myself and one other of my friends, and other 2 people with a different view than pre-wrath. This wouldn't be a debate, we're not looking for confrontation, it would be a discussion to seek the truth of God's Word and allow iron to sharpen iron. Anyone interested please reply back to me.

  4. Shalom,
    Well I learned something. Dispensationalism, heard the term before, but didn't really take it in, now I see. The speaker didn't expound on the 10 commandments narrative, but I believe he knows what happened when Moses came down from the mount with the commandments.
    Be as a Berean. Confirm everything you hear with scripture.

  5. I have been studying scriptures instensly on this. I have someone, a believer, who has made fun of me, patronized me, ridiculed me as being in an occult because of my beliefs. I do not see the Lord not taking us out before the Great Trib. I havew presented so many scriptures, but they still dismiss me. Why?

  6. . If  I was a woman  engaged to my husband and he said he'd have to kick me around for several years before we got married. I wouldn't stick around. JESUS PAYED IT ALL !! You post tribulation folks are pretty close to having a works religion because you're saying that believing in the finished work of Jesus Christ is not enough , we have to go through some trial by fire. There will be no bragging in heaven about how I was strong and didn't take the mark. Jesus gets ALL the credit. You post tribes are just another group of salvation by works believers.


  8. Please watch, there will be no RAPTURE. Please humble yourself and learn the truth about the false doctrine of the Rapture. There is a place of safety, we will not be raptured my brothers and sisters:

    Matthew 24:29-31
    29 IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE TRIBULATION of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
    30 And THEN SHALL APPEAR THE SIGN OF THE SON OF MAN in heaven: and then shall ALL THE TRIBES OF THE EARTH MOURN, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
    31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they SHALL GATHER TOGETHER HIS ELECT FROM THE FOUR WINDS, from one end of heaven to the other.

  9. Less feltsick is a miserable false teacher! He sneakily teaches salvation by works, saying if you're saved you will have a changed ! That's salvation by works! That means unless you show you have a changed lifestyle you're not saved according to less feltsick! who made him the judge of who's saved by their lifestyle?

  10. Les Feldick should not be teaching the word of God! He doesn't know it properly. For example we can easily know Adam was not in the garden of Eden more than 130 years. For he begat Seth at that age and Adam had already fallen and was removed from the garden of Eden:
    And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, after his image; and called his name Seth:

    Genesis 5:3 KJV

  11. the Pre – Tribulation Timing of the Rapture has always been false.

    By using all the principles we have discussed in Part 1: Take Heed How You Hear, we now can easily see why the pre-trib timing of the rapture by many in churchianity, is now, and always has been, false. Briefly, let's regard the accurate true apologetic reason why this is so. It is easily seen by honest ones who are willing to admit they were ignorant of never having considered all that the Word has to say about such matters. In no point is the Word ever giving us false information. Here is what is grossly over-looked or altogether neglected in the false teaching that is Pre-Trib timing.

    Revelation 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given to them; and the souls of those who were beheaded for the witness of Yeshua, and for the Word of Elohim, and who had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Messiah a thousand years; 5 And the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were fulfilled: this is the First Resurrection.

    Let's bring forth the important ideas from this passage, with regard to the Resurrection of the dead. First, these are tribulation martyrs that are mentioned here. One cannot be a tribulation martyr without having been killed for their faith during the tribulation. This is obvious. Next, these martyrs are intended in the phrase “the dead in Christ” (Messiah); they obviously were killed for their testimony and witness of Yeshua the Messiah. What is not so obvious to many here is what follows. They were also killed for the Word of Elohim. This means these martyrs refused to give up their witness to the Scripture of Truth in the face of false religion. They steadfastly 'held fast' to the profession of their faith when the peer pressure of multitudes who did not do so, came against them. They did not waver, nor fold, neither did they cave in under the pressure of fear of man, partiality, or respect for the persons of men. These martyrs are part of the First Resurrection; not the second, fifth, or last, or any other. They are with Messiah at the time of the Resurrection. Now let's look at the description of the rapture event that Paul described at length.

    1 Thessalonians 4:13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning those who are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope; 14 for if we believe that Yeshua died and rose again, even so also those who sleep in Yeshua will Elo'ah bring with him; 15 for this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not go before those who sleep; 16 for the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of Elohim; and the dead in Messiah shall rise first; 17 then, we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air; and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

    Messiah comes at the Resurrection of the dead. There are two people groups identified in the passage above that are to partake in this event. There is also a precise order of events that is to occur at that time. The two groups are (1) the dead in Messiah, which we have already seen in Rev 20:4-5, includes TRIBULATION martyrs. The other group (2) are “those who are alive and remain.”

  12. the Rapture is NOT a "choice" — harpazo means "taken by force, snatched, plucked" (1Thes 4:17, Rev 12:5)  — there is no choice to be made by the Christian as to whether or not he wants to go.  —  i don't know HOW people come up with the idea that the AntiChrist/Satan  can produce a FAKE Pre-Trib Rapture by deceiving people to "voluntarily go with him"…..

  13. Please folks give this PRE TRIB RAPTURE UP…John Darby was wrong…he did not know…you all will be with us through out the tribulations…let no man deceive you…Christ will come to ALL who are alive AFTER the 7 years of tribulation.

  14. We need to get our priorities straight. What is more important, Being right about a pre- or post-trib rapture or telling people about the free gift of salvation through Jesus Christ.? It does not really matter who is right about this, Our Father will do it His way. People will be going to hell if we do not tell them about Jesus and stop this foolishness which I see as a tool of Satan (also a tool of Satan is getting us all upset looking to find out who the anti-Christ is) to 1. take our eyes off off Jesus Christ and 2. Get dissension among the saved people and making Christians looking bad. Let's get on with the business of telling people about Jesus and stop this nonsense.

  15. Why pretrib rapture is a LIE. 1. 2Th 2:3 Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, [the man of sin must be exposed first]
    2. 1Th 4:16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first.
    [the dead in Christ must be resurrected first] WHEN IS THE FIRST RESURRECTION ACCORDING TO JESUS?> Joh 6:44 "No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up at the last day. WHEN IS THE LAST DAY?

  16. Romans 15::8 'Jesus came to fulfil the promises made to the Fathers'.

    You are correct that the promises made to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob include a Glorious Messianic Kingdom but not an earthly one – but a Heavenly ,Spiritual, 'Not Made with Hands' .

    This Kingdom happens when Christ comes again and the Dead are Raised. But according to Matthew 16:27,28 it would take place in the lifetime of those who heard Jesus speak and saw Him perform His miracles.

    You teach that Jesus came to confirm those promises yet you teach that those promises are in the future still – after 2000 years so far and that Abraham is still in his grave waiting along with every other faithful OT Jew.

    Abraham according to Hebrews 11 was a stranger on this earth looking for a city coming out of heaven as described in Revelation 21,22 . He was not looking for an earthly kingdom in this world .

    Jesus said that many would come from the East and he West – Gentiles in other words like the Roman Centurion , and would sit down with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob when the Kingdom would be taken from the Jews and given to another people who had faith and were born from above .

    Jesus says that OT Israel would be cast out and at this point the Heavenly Kingdom would appear – but not with observation. It would take the eye of faith to scratches Christ coming in the Glory Of the Father in that generation 2000 years ago .

    Sure there are Different Dispensations in the Bible – but that doesn't make Dispensationalism correct.

    Dispensationalism correctly understands that there are distinct promises made to Israel but then misunderstands that those promises were fulfilled in AD 70 when the Resurrection took place . There is no reason to invent a 7 year period at the End after a secret rapture to fulfill Gods promises to Israel.

    Abraham was glad to see the Day of Christ and praise God he got his reward !

    Heaven is Open !

  17. We know there is no pre-tribulation rapture.
    1. There is not one verse in all the Bible teaching it. That's why no one believed in a pre-tribulation rapture until John N. Darby made it up in the 1830s.
    2. The Lord Jesus specifically prayed that the church NOT be taken out of the world (John 17:15). For there to be a pretribulation rapture, the Father would have to not listen to the Son.
    3. 1 Corinthians 15:52 says the rapture occurs at the "last trumpet". Since there are trumpets during the tribulation, the rapture cannot happen before it.

    1. Matt 24: 8-31
    Particularly Matt 24: 29-31. (NOTE: Immediately AFTER the tribulation…)

    Matt 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

    Also vs 30-31 (Note: Every NATION/TRIBE will mourn because there will be a Christian from every tribe and tongue on earth having ALL being preached to.)

    Matt 24:30  And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
    And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

    2. Mark 13: 19-27
    Particularly vs 24 (Note: AFTER that tribulation)

    Mark 13:24 But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light,

    3. Luke 21: 10-28
    Particularly vs 28 (Note: When these things begin to COME TO PASS…your redemption DRAWTH NIGH)

    Luk 21:28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

    4. Luke 21: 34-36
    Luk 21:36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

    Particularly vs 36
    (Note: This reference is one of the MOST important because God is SPECIFICALLY ASKING CHRISTIANS (not JEWS) TO PREPARE, WATCH AND PRAY, because it is a ''SNARE'' i.e TRAP. People will be distracted by ''cares of this life'' and the economic system of this world SIMPLY BECAUSE THEY DO NOT ACCEPT THIS MESSAGE.)

    5. Dan 11:30-45

    Dan 11:35 And some of them of understanding shall fall, to try them, and to purge, and to make them white, even to the time of the end: because it is yet for a time appointed. 

    6. Matt 22: 2-14
    Particularly vs 12-13 (They were not of the chosen- Jews, yet they still refused to PREPARE!)

    Matt 22:12 And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was speechless. Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

    7. Matt 24: 42-44
    (Note: The only people asked to PREPARE are Christians. The Jews will be sealed against the GREAT WRATH because THEY WILL BE ON EARTH THEN. Rev 7:1, 9:4)

    Matt 24:44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.

    8. Matt 24: 45-51
    Particularly vs 50 (BOTH the church/denominational leader and his members that he is financially fleecing/swindling, deceiving and maltreating will be on earth when the master will arrive)

    Matt 24:50  The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of,

    9. 1Cor 15: 51-58
    There are two things of note here:
    a) 1Co 15:51  Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 
    [RAPTURE is part of the mystery of God which shall be fulfilled in Rev 10:7]

    b) 1Cor 15: 52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 
    [This confirms that it will be in the days of the LAST (7th) TRUMP that the mystery will be completed]

    Some prophets have said this is either US President TRUMP, or his last son, who will also later become president. BUT HE HAS NOT SAID ANY SUCH THING ABOUT THAT TO ME.

    10. 2Thess 2:1-9
    Particularly vs 3 (Note: CHRISTIANS WILL BE ON EARTH WHEN THE ANTICHRIST WILL BE REVEALED as the Man-Antichrist. He will perform the abomination that causes desolation- Dan 7:25, 9:27, 11:35, Matt 24:15, Mk 13:14, Luke 21:20, Rev 13:6)

    2Th 2:3  Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 

    11. 2Pet 3:1-13
    Particularly vs 10 (Note: People will be UNPREPARED doing their NORMAL DAILY ACTIVITIES. So, that day will catch them unawares- a ''SNARE''. cf Luke 21: 34-36)

    2Pe 3:10  But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. 

    12. Rev 7: 9-17

    13. Matt 25: 1-13.

    Particularly vs 10 (Note: He told the foolish virgins he does not know them because FOR THEM TO HAVE GONE TO BUY WHEN THE ONLY PEOPLE BUYING & SELLING ARE THOSE WITH THE MARK OF THE BEAST (Rev 13: 16-17)…THEY OBVIOUSLY ALREADY HAD THE MARK!)

    Matt: 25. 10. And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut.

    14. Rev 14: 1-13
    Particularly vs 12 (Note: The tribulation will help the Church reach maturity. Tribulation makes us patient and develops our character. Rom 5:3-4, James 1:3)

    Rev 14:12  Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus. 

    15. Rev 20:4
    Note: All the martyrs in the Church will reign with him on earth with the elect Jews (Rev 6:11, Rev 14:1-13,)

    Rev 20:4  And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 


  19. For the Church to be raptured,
    1. We must return to the oneness of the beginning. John 11:52, John 17: 21, Acts 2:1, Acts 4:32, Eph 4:13, 2Thess 2:1

    2. For us to return to that oneness, the Church needs to know that there is a deception already in place- RAPTURE WILL OCCUR BEFORE THE TRIBULATION. Therefore, the Church will not be on earth when the Antichrist will be revealed. This is clearly not scriptural as the verses above show.

    That deception came into Christianity in the 19th century, and was amplified by Tim Lahaye's LEFT BEHIND series, Hal Lindsay's The Late, Great Planet Earth book, films etc.

    [I will explain how they were able to successfully deceive us, saying the Jews are the Elect, etc- not today.]

    3. We need to help the Church see that they will have to go through the tribulation- FOR MATURITY AND PATIENCE. Dan11:35, Rom 5:3, James 1:3-4, Rev 13:7, 14: 12

    4. Part of attaining that maturity is to unite in preparation AGAINST THE MARK OF THE BEAST (which will be a financial tool) because we will not be allowed to buy or sell (Rev 13: 16-17).

    5. To achieve #4 above, Mammon's hold over the church must be broken. Matt 6: 19-24, Matt 24: 45-51, Matt 25: 14-30.
    In faith and unity ON THIS VERY EARTH, God will meet our needs without us needing to buy or sell i.e EVERYTHING WILL BE FREE! (Matt 10:8) This will also accelerate the preaching of the gospel round the earth as more believers will be able to go to far nations seeing that meeting basic needs is no longer a problem.

    6. Rapture is part of the mystery of God which will be fulfilled completely in the days when the 7th trumpet will be blown Rev 10:7.

    Rev 11:15  And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever. 

    God will defeat the devil on this earth ECONOMICALLY & MILITARILY. We all know of the Military defeat (Rev 19: 11-21), now he has revealed the Economic plan to defeat their system to us (Rev 10:4).

    You claim that you are a part of the Church who will be raptured before the tribulation. I accept.

    The only problem is that you are not found anywhere in the whole book of Revelations of Jesus Christ!

    We see:
    1. The dead in Christ who were martyred while alive on earth. Rev 6: 10-11

    2. We see the bride after passing through the great tribulation on earth and raptured with the dead saints. Rev 7: 9-14; 19: 1-8, 21:3-4

    3. The elect 144,000 Jews who remain on earth after rapture. Rev 7: 1-8; 9:4; 14: 1-5

    4. The antichrist, his false prophet and the devil Rev 13: 1-18; 19: 19-21; 20:3, 10

    5. Those who accepted the Mark of the Antichrist- they rejected God while alive in the last days. Rev 13: 8, 16-17; 16:2, 21

    6. Those whose names were not found in the book of Life on Judgement day- they rejected Jesus Christ when alive on earth Rev 20: 12-15

    You are the only one not seen anywhere in the whole book! Where exactly did you ''rapture to''?

    In secondary school, my principal Chief J. O Kujore will often tell us on the assembly grounds,
    ''OGUN A GBO TELE KII PAARO…IYEN ARO TO BA GBON NI O!'' (translated: A preannounced war does not kill a lame beggar…but only a wise one who takes to the warning.)


    The ''pre-tribulation Christians'' who obviously will be unprepared having believed a lie had better find a place to be raptured to before the AntiChrist comes (against Matt 24: 15-31 and 2Thess 2:1-12 ) because if not, God help them.


  21. The Pre trib paradigm:


    Act 2:20 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come:


    Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

    Rev 6:12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;

    Rev 7:9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;

    Rev 7:14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.


  22. I've come to the conclusion that proponents of the pre trib rapture have confused the great tribulation with the Wrath of God.

    The Wrath comes at the END of Great Tribulation that sees so many lives perish that God intervines to shorten it's days. The reason? The ELECT were in danger of not making it through!
    They are "raptured" evacuated from the planet BEFORE WRATH at the LAST TRUMPET.

    The Great Tribulation with all it's evils will be a tooth ache compared to the wrath of God.

    Please people i would hope we all want truth. Stop your conflicts and intellectual jousting get close to God pray for one another that we all make it through.


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