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Post Tribulation Problems - Chuck Missler

Post Tribulation Problems – Chuck Missler


In this sector, Chuck Missler goes over message adversity issues. This sector originates from “TheRapture” rundown pack released by KoinoniaHouse – To acquisition this rundown cram in its totality, most likely to our on-line shop at: http://resources.khouse.org. – To register for The Personal Update News Journal, most likely to: http://www.khouse.org/subscribe. – To find out more regarding the Koinonia Institute, most likely to: http://www.studycenter.com.
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28 COMMENTS

Todd Ott - posted on September 10, 2015 3:56 pm

First, the Bible doesn't teach imminency. And the "day that no man knows" mentioned in Matthew 24 is referring to the previously mention gather of the elect "after the tribulation of those days," not some secret, hidden rapture not even mentioned in the text. In addition, PreTribbers claim that Matthew 24 is not written to or about the Church, so the "day that no man knows" cannot be about the rapture of the Church (in their opinion).
There is absolutely no hint that the Church is raptured before the stated events. If fact Paul tells us that "that Day" (referring to the previously mention "coming of our Lord and our being gathered to Him) cannot happen until the apostasy and the revelation of the Man of Sin. In addition, Joel and Peter tell us that the Day of the Lord happens at the darkening of the sun, moon and stars, and Jesus and John tell us that this happens "after the tribulation of those days" at the Sixth Seal. The Day of the Lord does not begin at the beginning of the Seventieth Week.
As for Israel and the Church being mutually exclusive…Huh? Romans teaches that not all Israel are Israel, but only those who believe. The Jews saved during the Tribulation become part of the Church. They are not some separate entity. In Christ Jew and Gentile are made "one new man." PreTribbers believe that throughout the Church Age Gentiles are being save, and then the church must be removed to save a remnant of Jews. Again Romans teaches that a partial hardening has happened to Israel until the fulness of Gentiles has come in. In other words, a remnant of Jews are being saved and grafted back into their own tree during the Church Age, alongside Gentiles. Then Romans say "In this manner all Israel will be saved." in other words, a remnant of Jews being saved alongside Gentiles until the full number of Gentiles are saved. Then all Israel (that believing remnant and those Gentiles made "one new man," on Body, the Church. All Israel is not the physical nation of Israel (not all who are called Israel are Israel, but only those who believe). All Israel is the Church made up of spiritual Israel, believing Jew and Gentile. The Church is not a "parenthesis" in the middle of God's dealings with Israel in the flesh. The Church is the "fulfillment of the age"s and "all the things that happened to Israel are types and warnings for us."
Also, the Tribulation is not God's wrath. God allowed Satan to test Job. God will allow Satan to test His Church. Neither of these tests is God's wrath. God is separating the wheat and the tares, not by a rapture, but by persecution. The Seals are events that occur during the Church Age. They are birth pains, occurring with increasing frequency and intensity. Jesus said "These must occur, but the end is not yet." And most make the mistake of believing the rider on the white horse is the Antichrist. If that rider represent a specific man, the other riders would also, but we never here anyone telling us who they are. No, these rider represent what Jesus tells us they represent in Matthew 24:4-8. During the Flood, Noah and His family were "in Christ" for seven days as all kinds of clean and unclean beasts (nations) entered in. After the seven days (representing the seven year tribulation when the Church is safe in Christ, the Door is closed and the Church rises and God's wrath falls. The Flood represents baptism that saves us according to Peter. This means all this in the Ark have been "buried with Christ in baptism." They are the Church, the Body of Christ, all those who are "marked in Him with a Seal, the promised Holy Spirit (Ephesians). The Church is on earth and the Door remains open throughout the entire period of seven.
And the answer to your question, "How can the Bride come with Him?"
FIRST, the Great Tribulation occurs, lasting 1260 days.
SECOND, "Ater the tribulation of those days" the sun, moon and stars are darkened for a period of time. This, according to Peter and Joel, represents the Latter Rain Pentecost when God's Spirit is poured out. It is the culmination of the Counting of the Omer when the fullness of the harvest is brought in. It is a Jubilee.
THIRD, On some unknown day, the sign of the Son of Man will occur in the sky and Christ will gather His elect from heaven (the dead in Christ…absent from the body but present with the Lord) and earth (those who are alive and survive…the actual meaning of the Greek word gives a hint that those alive survived something…the Fifth Seal martyrdom ).
FOURTH, The Day of the Lord begins as He pours out His wrath for an unknown period of time (Feast of Trumpets).
FIFTH, Christ returns with His armies to defeat the Beast and His armies at Armageddon. (Day of Atonement).
SIXTH, The Church celebrates the Wedding Feast (The Feast of Tabernacles). All those left from the nations that attacked Israel will come year after year to celebrate this Feast. Christ and His Church (Jew and Gentile) will rule over these nations from the Heavenly City for a thousand years.
And the Bride Theft Wedding Scenario…it doesn't exist anywhere in the Bible nor in any Jewish writing (As a PreTribber to show you where it is found in the Jewish writings). this scenario has been concocted, invented by piecing together multiple comments and quotes to create a scenario that supports PreTribulationsim. What is true, however, about a Jewish wedding, is that the Veil of the Bride was never removed until the marriage was consummated. This is the reason Jacob did not know he had married the wrong girl. This is very interesting, because Scripture tells us that in Christ the Veil has already been removed. Christ has placed His Seed into the Bride. If He wasn't married to the Bride, this would be called fornication. At Mt. Sinai, God married Israel at Pentecost. So what this is telling me is that Passover represents the betrothal and Pentecost represents the marriage under the Huppah. What is the Huppah? In the Old Testament the Jews saw Mt. Sinai as a Huppah. In the New Testament the writer of Hebrews tell us that we have come to Mt Zion, to the City of the Living God, the heavenly Jerusalem (the same one mentioned in the Book of revelation). Hebrews 12:18-24
As for the 24 elders…we are already raised up and seated with Christ in heavenly places (Eph). And the restrainer? Nowhere in the verse is there a hint that anything is removed. The actual Greek is says that the restrainer "…will restrain until he is revealed in the midst." The Church as salt and light is the restrainer. But during the apostasy the Church will lose its saltiness, allowing the man of sin to come to power. When the Church loses its saltiness, Jesus tells us that it will become good for nothing except to be trampled upon. That trampling of the Holy City (the Church) is recorded in Revelation 11 just prior to the rapture of the Two Witnesses just prior to the Seventh Trumpet. It lasts for 1260 days.
…….HUH? "How can the virgins of Matthew 25 buy oil without the mark of the Beast?" Are you kidding me? It is not literal oil. It is just absurd, the weak arguments, twisting of the text, taking things out of context, picking and choosing what they want to be literal and what they don't, changing definitions of words, assumptions.
He makes claim after claim, but never backs any of it up with Scripture.

Beginning Of Birth-Pangs - posted on February 16, 2016 7:12 pm

Chuck is so wise, but he can't see that wrath is not tribulation. This is so sad. The earth is void during the 1,000 years (Rev 20:5). Also, ALL SCRIPTURE states THE DAY OF THE LORD IS THE RAPTURE WHICH IS THE 2nd COMING. So sad CHUCK. May the Lord open your eyes.

Beginning Of Birth-Pangs - posted on February 16, 2016 7:15 pm

"and to give you who are troubled rest with us WHEN the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels [RAPTURE/2nd COMING], in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know God [WRATH POURED OUT in same day on wicked], and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ." – 2nd Thessalonians 1:7-8

silvester weber - posted on March 1, 2016 5:49 am

Liar nobody is good only God is good

Bryon Green - posted on May 23, 2016 11:01 pm

Gods wrath isn't the tribulation its in the bowls

Missjonessd100 - posted on October 31, 2016 6:19 am

What is this man talking about? Matthew 24:4-30 and Mark 13 Jesus plainly explain what will happen before and when He will return… Peeps read your bible and quit twisting what Jesus said!

Bruce Jarrell - posted on March 15, 2018 1:19 pm

A lot of words and no scripture

Ryan Carroll - posted on October 11, 2018 4:40 pm

Look at scripture, not just the bullet point presentation of a man.

Michael Prescott - posted on October 16, 2018 3:44 am

Why cant people read the bible for what it says instead of trying to read something into it to line up with a doctrine than can be traced back to men and the men are not the apostles that recorded the Words of Jesus Christ Himself " Take heed that no man deceive you " and the apostle Paul " Let no man deceive you by any means " . Enough Said !!!!

Lance Robinson - posted on January 20, 2019 2:23 pm

This matters, from the perspective that it was communicated to us. It does not matter, from the perspective that, regardless of the timing or what we remain for, what we have placed our hope and faith in is immutable, as is our assurance and future. Toss a blazing mountain in my direction. My hope is in You and I know that You have me through what ever will come. Keep arguing. What ever the truth of the matter (pretrib, haha), it will not change these things.

Knew Atkmaj - posted on February 6, 2019 8:50 am

Scripture doesn't support a rapture before tribulation. Show one scripture that states Christ is coming on a cloud before tribulation.

Ray Winsor - posted on March 13, 2019 10:53 pm

Notice, he really did not give scriptural support for the imminent coming of Christ. He is not developing his eschatology from scripture, but a preconceived plan that divides the Lord's Second Coming into what is really two second comings of Christ or two separate appearances separated by 7-years of Tribulation.

Josh Peterson - posted on May 20, 2019 1:17 am

Who populates the kingdom in the post-Tribulation view if Jesus glorifies every living and dead believer at the rapture and kills all the non-believers at the sheep-goat judgment? Easy. Children. Unless you think Jesus slaughters every non-believing child, then non-glorified children will enter the kingdom, mature, and populate it.

Josh Peterson - posted on May 20, 2019 1:21 am

The rapture isn’t imminent. Paul describes the rapture in 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18, and then he says in 1 Thessalonians 5:2-4, “For you yourselves are fully aware that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night. While people are saying, ‘There is peace and security,’ then sudden destruction will come upon them as labor pains come upon a pregnant woman, and they will not escape. But you are not in darkness, brothers, for that day to surprise you like a thief.” The rapture is linked to the day of the Lord, and Paul says that day will not surprise believers. Therefore, the rapture is not imminent.

Jamia Laird - posted on May 27, 2019 8:01 am

Does anyone know the scripture(s) where it refers to the bride/the church returning with Jesus in the Second Coming?

CHANNELJOEL228TV - posted on May 30, 2019 10:28 pm

This is pastor John I believe in a post tribulation rapture. I go live every Saturday 3 PM Pacific Standard Time. I Share visions I receive about the tribulation and our time.

Ephesians 2:8-9 KJV - posted on June 27, 2019 6:35 pm

CAN YOU EVEN READ ?? Matthew 24:29-31 (KJV)

29 >>> Immediately after the tribulation of those days <<< shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 >>>And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.<<<

james myers - posted on July 10, 2019 4:43 pm

It says “no man knows the DAY or the HOUR.”
What makes anyone think this prophecy is for anyone living in the past 2000 years or even us today? This prophecy is specifically for those Christians alive IN THAT WEEK. It will be chaos, they will be slaughtered like cattle, and let know man claim to know exactly when Christ will return. The words “day” and “hour” aren’t a coincidence since from the time The AntiChrist declares himself God we will know the week.

New Millennium Ministry - posted on August 20, 2019 12:54 pm

I guess you know more than jesus? He said immediately after the tribulations of those days. The word after means post. When you say we are to expect jesus at anytime that means us dying as individuals not the rapture. You are looking over the fact the revelation chapter 20. Verse 4 and 5 states that the first resurrection happens after the mark of the beast

MessengerOfTruth - posted on August 24, 2019 6:58 pm

IF YOU ARE POST-TRIB, YOU ARE NOT ONLY AN UNBELIEVER OF GOD’S DELIVERING POWER, YOU SIN {AGAINST} GOD!

Exo 32v333 And the LORD said unto Moses, Whosoever hath sinned AGAINST ME, him will I blot out of My book.

It’s one thing to sin. But it’s something different entirely to sin AGAINST God! For people who fancy themselves “learned” and “educated,” so many of you are horrible with the basics of God’s Word and His Character. You are always in error because, unlike Abraham, you do NOT know God’s Character! It’s like you memorize all these Scriptures, but you don’t seem to KNOW God at all!

Heb 3v10 … They do always err in their heart; and they have not known My ways.

POST-TRIB IS DEMONIC AND IT IS UNBELIEF IN GOD’S DELIVERING POWER. UNBELIEF IS THE EXACT OPPOSITE OF FAITH! SO, WHAT DO YOU THINK YOUR UNBELIEF IS? CLEARLY IT IS SIN AGAINST GOD, AND HERE ARE SOME REASONS WHY YOU ARE ON THE WRONG SIDE OF THE FENCE:

1)
You spit on the testimony of Abraham! Shame on you, “Jews!” How dare you call Abraham your father when you do things contrary to Abraham!? Abraham knew the Character of God, and he said that it is far from God’s Nature to punish the righteous just to get at the wicked! But there is no safe place in the Great Tribulation! You are accusing God of bashing on His people just to get at the wicked! I stand with ABRAHAM, not you!

2)
You spit on the testimony of Job! Are you more righteous than either Abraham or Job? I think not! Job said that same thing Abraham said, that God will not do evil. But you say the exact opposite!

3)
*You mock the deliverance of Noah.” There was no safe place on the earth, and Noah was LIFTED UP above the earth. God refused to send His wrath until after Noah and his family were completely safe.

4)
You mock the deliverance of Lot. There was no safe place in Sodom, and Lot was SNATCHED AWAY from the city (by angels to boot!). Like Noah, God refused to send His wrath until AFTER Lot was safe.

5)
You will not enter Heaven. I don’t care how much you preach. I don’t care what degree you have. I don’t care how many debates you do. I don’t care if you call yourself “Christian” and try to hide behind “Jesus.” Israel could NOT hide behind bloodline! Christians can hide behind a paper-thin title! But you are of the SAME unbelief and the SAME sin! The warnings of HEBREWS 3&4 is painfully clear! It is a retelling of Numbers 13&14, and how God took the UNBELIEF of Isreal personally! God didn’t even defend Moses and Joshua – He went straight after the OFFENSE (sin) of the people, saying that they were sinning against HIM! He took their unbelief personally! God refused to allow them to enter into His rest, which is the Promised Land below. The author of Hebrews is warning Christians to NOT be of the same UNBELIEF in God’s delivering power! If you are, YOU will NOT enter His Rest either! But this Rest is NOT the “Land of Canaan”! This Rest is HEAVEN! UNBELIEF is the exact opposite of FAITH … and you think your UNBELIEF “pleases” Him?! How!? When it is the exact opposite! And you teach others to follow in your folly and you do NOT even fear God! Oh you foolish children! Who has bewitched you that you should distort God’s Character without repentance or remorse!?

6)
Because everything is about ISRAEL in that time period. There is NOTHING about any Church or Gospel or Repentance! Everything is about ISRAEL:

-2 witnesses are in ISRAEL
-the 144,000 are JEW males
-it is JACOB’S TROUBLE (not “church trouble”)
-Satan returns to persecute the WOMAN (Israel) and HER seed
-Jesus telling the JEWS that THEY will never see His face again, UNTIL THEY repent as a nation!
-Paul saying THEIR blindness must continue UNTIL the full number of Gentiles are IN [Raptured}!
-the two-fold question of Matthew 24 showing the Rapture an the Second Coming as Jesus clearly shifts His attention to the unbelieving JEWS who are left behind!

Everything is about ISRAEL! Nothing is about the CHURCH!

7)
Jesus said that He will keep His people FROM the hour that comes upon the whole earth (not “in” or “during” the hour!). But you seem to think He said His people will go through it.

8)
The Greek word is ek. I would expect a “Dr” to know this! Smh It’s the same word used concerning the Uncountable Number that has come out of the Tribulation. But ENGLISH gives a misunderstanding. The Uncountable Number do NOT “come out of”, but are “saved FROM”. They never endure Tribulation! They are more than the entire population of the earth anyway! So it is foolish to think they are delivered “out of” the Tribulation! That would mean everyone died and went to Heaven 6 times over! Wrong … and unthoughtful! The Uncountable Number are all the Saints from Abel all the way up to the last True Convert who are Raptured!

9)
The souls of saints are IN HEAVEN {before} the FIRST seal is even broken! How did they get IN HEAVEN if there is no Pre-Tribulation Rapture!?

10)
BEFORE the Tribulation starts, we clearly read, “He that has an ear, let him hear what the SPIRIT says to the CHURCHES”. Then explain why, once Tribulation is going on, we only see “He that has an ear, let him hear”. What happened to the SPIRIT and the CHURCHES!? Why are they NO LONGER MENTIONED? Because, obviously, they are no longer on the earth! There is NOTHING about “Christianity” in those days! Nothing.

11)
Revelation clearly shows that demons (locust) will torture EVERYONE who does not have the mark (144,000 Jew males)! What YOU are doing is saying that ALL CHRISTIANS will be torture by demons for 6 months! YOU are sinning against God by suggesting that HE would send/allow demons to afflict His people! This is exactly what you are doing if you say there is no Pre-Tribulation Rapture because ALL who do not have the mark WILL be tortured! That means the ENTIRE CHURCH!

Truly, people are always in ERROR because they do NOT know the CHARACTER of God! But Abraham knew it, and so as a Jew, you should be ashamed of yourself for saying the exact opposite of Abraham!

ccrpalex - posted on September 3, 2019 2:53 am

Bible was written for believers! Why would God warn us of what we should look out for so we aren't even here?
Millions of Christians died for Jesus' name, where was their rapture?
Hundreds die every day, where is their rapture? What, American Christians are better so they don't deserve to go through tribulation?
A lot of Christians will be pretty disappointed when rapture will not come in tough times! Will be saying, where is the promise coming of the Christ, and fall away!
Good news, Christians that ARE persecuted today all over the world will not go astray, because it will be for them just another day, and they will save a lot of people!

Peter Gregoric - posted on September 10, 2019 10:20 pm

shout out to pastor mcmurtry, you're da man!!!!

WDJD - posted on September 15, 2019 12:01 am

Chuck says "the rapture we go up then go back down" Where does that come from? Remember we only meet him in the clouds not Heaven. We are not taught to expect him at any moment. There are specific things that must happen BEFORE the calling up (rapture). What scripture says his return is immanent? As for the wrath, did Noe experience God's wrath? Did Lot and his family experience the wrath of God that fell on Sodom and Gomorrah? Did the people of Israel experience God's wrath when the death angel took all the first born? We will be in the area but the wrath will not fall on us. Where does it say the Bride will come with him at the rapture? The millennium will be populated with the Elect of God. The sheep and goats judgement happens at the end. The virgins buy the oil (gain the knowledge of the word of God) before the bridegroom comes and before the mark of the beast is in effect.

I know it's been 7 years so maybe everyone will come to the truth.

James Fischer - posted on September 16, 2019 7:00 pm

For all those who believe a pre trib ..imagine how many souls will take the mark if it's really post trib… post trib is supported by scripture …if it ends up post trib half of you pre tribbers will take the mark …prepare for the worst hope for the best ..pre trib has that saying backwards

Galaxycoco Lacey - posted on September 17, 2019 12:21 am

I'm ready to lay my life down for Jesus as he did me. I choose to be as John the Baptist and be beheaded knowing full well who waits for me at the river. I'm no better than my fellow brothers and sisters who have been murdered for His name sake. Why argue?

Joe Z - posted on September 24, 2019 4:56 pm

I don’t know how Chuck and you “Pre-trib” rapture-rites come up with this stuff. I guess you can justify anything if you take enough things out of context??? IF you read what Yashua said HIMSELF in Matthew 24 you know that “Pre-trib” is bunk. IF you read what Paul wrote in 2 Thessalonians 2 you know that “Pre-trib” is bunk. This is buffet Christianity, pick and choose the verses you want to shoe horn your pre-existent beliefs.

Joe Z - posted on September 24, 2019 5:10 pm

Further you “Pre-tribs” that hang your hat on Matt 24 you really need to go back and read it again if that’s what you are coming up with. 15 “The day is coming when you will see what Daniel the prophet spoke about—the sacrilegious object that causes desecration[d] standing in the Holy Place.” (Reader, pay attention!) ~ This means GOD’s church is around for this! As far as you people always quote: 40 “Two men will be working together in the field; one will be taken, the other left. 41 Two women will be grinding flour at the mill; one will be taken, the other left. YOUR ANSWER is: 45 “A faithful, sensible servant is one to whom the master can give the responsibility of managing his other household servants and feeding them. 46 If the master returns and finds that the servant has done a good job, there will be a reward. 47 I tell you the truth, the master will put that servant in charge of all he owns. 48 But what if the servant is evil and thinks, ‘My master won’t be back for a while,’ 49 and he begins beating the other servants, partying, and getting drunk? 50 The master will return unannounced and unexpected, 51 and he will cut the servant to pieces and assign him a place with the hypocrites. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. ~ In other words the ones ‘left’ don’t get salvation. And this has nothing to do with a ‘rapture’ this is the Second Coming and there isn’t a Third Coming to fit the ‘rapture’ narrative. You should try reading the whole book or at least the whole chapter in context so as not to fall prey to false doctrine.

Minatee - posted on September 25, 2019 11:49 am

Sounds so traditional read the Bible yourself folk Luke 17 there’s no mention of a secret rapture stop believing this man made doctrine ??‍♂️??‍♂️??‍♂️ just be ready not matter if it’s pre or post


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