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Forum on the Millennium


IsJesus involving rule and also rule for a thousand years? Find out from a discussion forum of Bible revelation professionals on the program Christ inProphecy
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39 COMMENTS

Paul Beduhn - posted on August 7, 2016 8:11 pm

John 14:2
In my Father's house are many mansions: If it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.

John 14:3 And if I go prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may also be.

1 Thessalonians 4:16-17
For the Lord himself shall desend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with thr Lord.

Jesus is in heaven and those whom are in the Lambs book of life will ascend to heaven with him for 1000 years.

1 Corinthians 6:2-3
Do ye not know that thr saints shall judge the world? and if tje world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?
Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?

I call this 1000 years in heaven, the judgment of verification.

The purpose of the 1000 years is to verify the judgment of the damnation. Those whom will be judged after the 1000 years and after the return to the earth and the new Jerusalem. This will be the final battle. Gog and Magog and the second death of those not found in the book of life.

Paul Beduhn - posted on August 7, 2016 8:26 pm

1John 4:1
Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God:
Because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

Paul Beduhn - posted on August 7, 2016 8:42 pm

None of the millennium views are of biblical doctrine.

The pre-rapture is also a lie from Satan.

If you put the final week of Daniels 70 week prophesy in the future, then you must also put the crucifixion in the future too, because he [Jesus] is "cut off" in the middle of the week (31/2 years).

The seventy weeks are concurrent and end in 34 AD. that is the end of probation for judism and when the gospel went out to the gentiles.

Expert's?

Paul Beduhn - posted on August 7, 2016 9:02 pm

Revelation 20:5
But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection (Armageddon).

Isaiah 26:21
For behold, the Lord cometh out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for thrir iniquity: the earth shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain.

Satan will be bound in chains of circumstance for a thousand years, because the earth will be uninhabited for thr 1000 years when the saints from the first resurrection are in heaven.

Keith Elrod - posted on January 31, 2017 10:04 pm

If I do not believe in a future glitter and gold millennial earthly/worldly reign of Christ on earth"How do I explain the "millennium" verses from Isaiah 66 and Zechariah 14?"  Please stay with me on all of this.  I hope you had a chance to read Revelation 20, this chapter being misinterpreted has messed everything up.  Note people did not believe like they do today until less than 200 years ago, this teaching that is so popular today is
new.  There are two Resurrections in Revelation 20, you must see this to understand the belief I have.  Most people do not see the two in that chapter, although it is crystal clear. Now remember in Luke with the rich man and Lazarus, that there were two compartments in Hades pre 1st Resurrection (hell and the Bosom of
Abraham).  Now in Ephesians 4, we see Jesus setting the captives of the Bosom free (Everyone must believe in Jesus to go to Heaven: John 14:6).  At the same time that Jesus is Resurrected, on First Fruits, in Mathew 27:52, 53, many saints who had previously died are seen in Jerusalem, THIS IS THE FIRST RESURRECTION,
they got their new bodies and are currently "millennial" reigning with Christ.  Everyone who dies since
then goes to hell or Heaven as a soul/spiritual being (to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord).  So there are two types in Heaven right now, those from the first Resurrection with new bodies, and those without their new bodies yet (the second receive their new bodies at the Day of the Lord (2 Peter 3 is awesome to read in regard to the 1,000 year usage and Day of the Lord). A good chapter to read with Zechariah 14 is Revelation 7.  Notice the list of the 144,000, Joseph (picture of Christ, remember he saved the world from death/starvation in Egypt) and Levi (Law) are included, they are never in the 12, but they are now, because people that believe that Christ fulfilled the Law in their place go to Heaven (note that Dan, meaning judgment and Ephraim, meaning the bull i.e. the Law are no longer in the 12, note also that even non Hebrews are without excuse, the Law being written on their heart).  Notice the palm branches in Revelation 7 (Sukkot/Tabernacles/Booths).  The people who died that had faith after the first Resurrection won't receive their new bodies until the Day of the Lord (1 Corinthians 15, 1 Thessalonians 4). These are the ones in Heaven who celebrate Tabernacles, why? Because they do not have their new Heavenly body (Tabernacle) yet.  The Egypt reference are those who are in hell right now.  The Isaiah 66 Scripture is referring to the Day of the Lord, Verse 22 is Heaven, Verse 24 is hell, between the two is a picture matching Philippians 2, when every knee will bow and every tongue confess that Jesus is Lord.  Faith in the Completed Work of Jesus (the 7 Feasts encapsulate His Work, Full Gospel Message) determines whether you are in the smoking or non-smoking section for Eternity.  Hebrews 12 (just after the famous Faith chapter of 11, a chapter that proves that none of the Old Testament saints went to Heaven by faith in the Law, only Through Christ alone) sums up all those in Heaven right now:   But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of
the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to myriads of [h]angels, 23 to
the general assembly and church of the firstborn who are enrolled in heaven,
and to God, the Judge of all, and to the spirits of the righteous made
perfect, 24 and to Jesus, the mediator of a new covenant, and
to the sprinkled blood, which speaks better than the blood of Abel.
(Hebrews 12:22-24)

Go Body - posted on February 19, 2017 8:51 am

The millenium is in the spirit; here on earth, and it begins instantly at the seventh and last trumpet sound. Your spiritual body is your true body. Six six six simply put means that Satan will come before our Lord Jesus Christ comes to begin the millennium. Let me say that one more time to be clear. The sixth seal, sixth trump, and sixth vial is revealing to us that Satan is released on the earth for 1260 days or 42 months; (as most people have heard as seven years of tribulation) before the seventh seal, seventh trump, and seventh vial.
The millennium begins the new age of eternity in the spirit. At the end of the millennium evil is done away with in the lake of fire, and New Jerusalem (eternity) begins.

reb1 - posted on June 20, 2017 12:54 am

I'm confused by what you all are saying, especially at about 20:55; "if Jesus is reigning over the nations of this world today he's doing a very poor job". I'm not an amillennialist, but I do have many problems with premillennialism, especially this kind of talk. What you say is very confusing to people. So what exactly is Jesus doing right now? Is He not ruling and reigning from heaven at this very moment? Is He not sitting on David's throne right now (Acts 2:30). If not, then what?

Chi Law - posted on June 26, 2017 4:51 am

We are living in the period of Revelation 20… You would not notice it just like the pharisees who did not noticed the coming of Jesus Christ in the flesh even when they claimed to know the scriptures from cover to cover and preaching it to people at the synagogue from day to day. God shut their eyes because of their unbelief of Jesus Christ and that is the deception then. Now, when the gospel is preached and made known to the elects of God, salvation comes to men, to both the physical jews (remnant of Israel) and gentiles alike that will believe in Jesus Christ. The devil at this point of time cannot persuade the elect to unbelief since the power of God to salvation came through the world by preaching the gospel. If men believe the gospel whether they are physical jews or gentiles, God will save them and the power of deception cannot avail. At the end of the complete period of Christ millennal kingdom ( where Jesus reigns in heaven and earth in the lives of the believers) the devil is given a short time to deceive the nations and with this apostasy comes. Apostate church will arise wherein they were once part of the true church but departed. How this may happen? By giving up in the fundamental truth that salvation comes only by Jesus Christ through believing the gospel. They will depart from this truth and preach another gospel.. Most christian zionist are into this now, mixing their faith with zionism until such time that they will deny that Jesus is the only way to salvation. Apostate preach that jews of the nation of physical Israel does not have to know and accept Jesus Christ to be saved bec they say God had a special covemant for them. This is blasbhemy and direct contrary to scriptures that teaches there is no name under heaven for which men must be saved but by the name Of Jesus Christ. This apostate churches ridicules the power Of Christ and change the gospel into mystic teaching of the jews found in talmud and judaism belief. Sadly, a lot of churches who were once part of the body of Christ went out to preach another gospel and without them knowing, the devil got a hold of them by his deception and them being under strong delusion. This is a warning to all.. Christ is coming at the end of this millennial kingdom to judge the whole world of its sin and to finally establish His eternal kingdom, the everlasting kingdom that never ends.

Chi Law - posted on June 26, 2017 5:10 am

The true Israel though are the believing jews and gentiles alike in Jesus Christ. These are the people described in Romans 11. Jesus Christ reigns with rod of iron over this people, bec the follow the law of Christ which is the two great commandments. The nations that encompass the holy city are the nation of Israel who grab the land of Palestine through the power of the nations, the UN sometime 1947. This did not happen quickly but it was well planned that had to undergo ww1 and ww2. The rothschild house were part of this and so the rest of the zionist powerhouse. At the height of the jewish occupation even to its surrounding country and continuing blasphemy of the name and denying of Jesus Christ, a final war will arise that which is called gog and magog which is a war of hatred of Christ by this unbelieving nation of Israel which Christ Jesus will triumphed once He comes and destroy them that are against him. Just so you know, the present nation of Israel is in full unbelief of Jesus Christ and is against his name by all means. This mind came from the talmud and preached in judaism and still embraced to this day. In Talmud, it is taught that Jesus is the enemy of the jews, that he deserve to dirle and is now in hell and burning in human feces, that he is a bastard and his mother a whore! A lot of blasphemous teaching in the talmud is still embraced by the nation of Israel. Why would God favor such an evil people that mocks and killed His son!! Bit there were few jews called the remnant of Israel that is also elect, who together with gentiles will come to believe and accept that Jesus is the Christ , and will be called the true Israel of God. There is a counterfeit which is the fleshly nation of Israel and the true Israel compised by both jews and gentiles that put their faith in Jesus Christ.

Farley Gordon - posted on July 3, 2017 5:53 am

that was the decent video I'm glad you didn't bring up Tim lahaye's rapture fictional Left Behind series. it's really not that hard when you have the comforter helping you and leading you into all truth. the Messiah said when I return will I find faith in the Earth. on elul first the month of repentance in to return to the Lord . the Great American solar eclipse on August 21st and then there will be 30 days until the Feast of trumpets and the completion of six thousand years. as Lightning comes from the East so shall the coming of the son of man be it will be a cloud of thunder and lightning like never before will there be people out there reaching for that cloud on that day or will they be hiding from the Great Sound of the father's shofar. changed in the twinkling of an eye we go into the cloud in the presence of the Lord and are all escorted to the marriage Feast of the Lamb in the valley of megiddo. I hear they have award-winning wine now in Israel . 10 days later will be the Triumph return the Messiah steps down on the Mount of Olives comes through the Eastern Gate and the coronation ceremony begins and our high priest fulfills the day of atonement …5 days later we celebrate yeshua's birthday on the Feast of Tabernacles and 8 Days Later we begin the millennial reign with our Lord with a rod of iron to rule over the Nations that will be a great time of teaching but Grace will be no more if they don't shape Up we're shipping them out. I for one don't want to go through eternity with someone who has not been tested. Shalom My Friends shalom

Tentmaker - posted on September 5, 2017 12:24 am

Ezekiel 45:17 why is there animal sacrifices and law of moses in millennial as per ezekiel 40-48? experts? sinofferings?

Kenneth Howard - posted on October 7, 2017 10:26 am

This forum is a joke. They all believe the same thing. If you want a real discussion on the millennium, please have one representative for the amillennium, pre-millennium, and post millennium views. This is pre-millennium propaganda.

Teresa Lawrence - posted on October 28, 2017 2:05 pm

Thank you from Scotland! I believe with all my heart because the Bible says so AMEN

Salvador Posada - posted on October 29, 2017 10:49 am

So, this panel of experts (a friend and two colleagues of the host – one current and one former) was composed of individuals with the same point of view.

In my opinion, it would've been great if it was an actual conversation between individuals of differing views, with equal time, etc.

I believe there were so many strawman arguments with no one there to defend other positions.

I also sensed a level of arrogance in some of their comments and the calling of those of whom they refer to as amillennials "lazy people that don't want to study."

May we always continue to humbly ask the Holy Spirit and the Bible to lead us into all truth.

Paul Beduhn - posted on November 2, 2017 2:11 pm

Armageddon:

But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
{2Peter 3:7}

I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light.

I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly.

I beheld, and, lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled.

I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken down at the presence of the LORD, and by his fierce anger.

For thus hath the LORD said, The whole land shall be desolate; yet will I not make a full end.

For this shall the earth mourn, and the heavens above be black: because I have spoken it, I have purposed it, and will not repent, neither will I turn back from it.
{Jeremiah 4:23-28}

I have cut off the nations: their towers are desolate; I made their streets waste, that none passeth by: their cities are destroyed, so that there is no man, that there is none inhabitant.
{Zephaniah 3:6}

Paul Beduhn - posted on November 2, 2017 2:12 pm

And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
{John 5:29}

–John illustrated here that there are two resurrections. These are seperated by 1,000 years, which brings the new heavens and new earth and new city, FROM HEAVEN, after the 1,000 years in the kingdom of heaven.

The 144,000 is a symbolic number.

Revelation 7:4

And *I heard the number of them which were sealed*: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.

:9 (Hebrew parallelism)

After this I beheld, and, lo, *a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues*, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;

:13-14

And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?

And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, *These are they which came out of great tribulation*, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

There is no mention of the patriarch Dan and Manasses is from the tribe of Joseph.

Its speaking of the entirety of the saints, both Jew and Gentiles in Jesus Christ our LORD and Redeemer.

FLICK BROOM - posted on November 2, 2017 4:30 pm

*?BIBLE Didn't SAY T.h.a.t. JESUS Would COME L.i.v.e.?With PPL (On Earth) FOR (*1,000-Years)⏰But THAT People Would GO 2 H.e.a.v.e.n. TO LIVE With HIM Or R.e.i.g.n. With HIM For (*1,000-*Years). ⏰⏰⏰⏰⏰⏰⏰ (REVELATION 20:6). ??????

L Cf - posted on December 12, 2017 11:38 am

Take a look at the "Bible Future Prophecies in a Nutshell" on Youtube, and you shall get what the Bible is revealing the prophecies and the Millennium, then you can make your own decision.

TheTread123 - posted on January 29, 2018 5:10 am

The Millennium is when Christ returns and rules the Earth for 1000 years. Pre-millennialists believe Christ will return before the 1000 years.
Post-millennialists believe Christ will return after the 1000 years.
Amillennialists don't believe in it at all.
and Pan-millennialists believe that no one can know the future, but that everything will all pan out in the long run according to God's will and God's own time table.

Dion Sanchez - posted on March 6, 2018 7:35 am

LOL. OK. But don't act like this is the only viable view. First, taking a literal view of the phrase 1000 years is not a notion taught in the Bible. It is an opinion by some pastors. The opposing view that it is not to be taken literally has stronger support both from tradition and the Bible. First, John wrote to the 7 churches saying that the events he outlines were to take place soon…they were near…these events were designed to give the 7 churches relief in the midst of tribulation. If it hasn't happened Jesus lied to the 7 churches! Second, the rabbi's understood the phrase 1000 years as a symbolic term and represented a short transition period 30-70 CE. Rabbis believed that the period of Messiah was to be only a transitionary stage between “this age/world and the age/world to come.” These Rabbis (such as R. Adiba), understood this transition period to be forty years, based upon how long the Israelites were in the wilderness before inheriting the land (Beale, ibid., 1018-1019; see also, A. Cohen, Everyman’s TALMUD, 356).

Therefore, the reader should be able to discern that the Full Preterist AD 30 – AD 70 “this generation” millennial view is: 1). consistent with the teaching of Revelation itself, 2) falls within the “orthodox” views of the Reformed church, 3) is in line with the analogy of Scripture and 4) offers historical support from many Rabbis whom promoted a forty years transitional period between the two ages. Our view on the millennium is both exegetically sound and orthodox. Finding support for the Full Preterist view of the millennium is not as difficult as many portray it – selah.

Patricia Brown - posted on March 27, 2018 7:59 pm

What happens after the 1000 years?

graphite333 - posted on June 19, 2018 10:36 pm

Experts my ASS…

Clifford S - posted on July 14, 2018 1:54 am

Those that Teach there is no Millennium also teach the Any Moment or Pre-Trib Rapture, they seem to know know about the Well Documented Reign of Christ "ON EARTH" they say "WE WILL BE OUT OF HERE" lol where? if Christ is on Earth, where are they?

,Richard Shepler Sr - posted on July 26, 2018 4:57 pm

The Greek for thousand years chilioi is plural and I believe is something akin to a dozen, where there is more than one but a singular set.
In any case if you read rev20 you see in the first four or so verses all of the elements in the thousand years.
The psalmist writes that the Lord owns the cattle on a thousand hills… Does not also own them on the thousand and first one as well?
Additionally in revelation it is written and then there is time no more, how can there be no time if there is yet a thousand years?

jci49 - posted on August 25, 2018 6:05 am

Over 15,000 people have apparently viewed this video. Please invest less than an hour to see why what you have seen is wrong!!!! Please. Ye that seek truth above all else, please prayerfully watch. This is probably one of the best videos about the times before, during and after the millennium you will have opportunity to see so please watch; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YuZWUqcEebU

Sergio Maurilio Pereira Neto - posted on August 31, 2018 1:24 am

The Millennium Will be in heaven.

ISRAEL OMOTAYO - posted on September 19, 2018 12:59 pm

No rapture in the Bible. Keep the Torah if you want to reign with Yahshua in the Millennium.

Penny Jimenez - posted on November 5, 2018 2:39 am

GENTLEMEN, YOU SAID TAKE THE BIBLE AT FACE VALUE. THAT GOD WROTE IT TO BE TAKEN AS HE SAID IT. MAY I ASK WHY DONT WE have church on the 6th day the day he set as his day of rest to be in one accord with man to spend with God… what about Christian and pagan celebration,s which Constantine united to gain approval of Christians such as birthday , Christmas, Easter, etc….tell everyone to read the Bible and learn what God approves of…all that he has written is His will. all these celebrations are pagan and an abomination unto our Lord. help educate people on these truths . save them from disobedience….

kenneth king - posted on November 10, 2018 12:38 am

Its good to hear people talking about the Millennium because so many people only believe in going to heaven. But I hardly believe in their interpretation of how its going to happen. What is to be expected in the New World is what God purposed when he created man. There was to be no interference from satan when he created Adam and Eve and thus this is why he will be in locked away. God proposed to guide mankind from heaven and so the thought of Jesus coming down to the earth to rule in the flesh is hard to accept. Although that would be fantastic. I believe that the 144,000 will rule with Jesus from Heaven. That is the first resurrection. The second resurrection will be the rest of mankind being brought back to the earth where God purposed for man to be. By the way, the bible never mentions going to heaven or hell in the old testament. Going to heaven was a new hope given by Jesus for the 144,000 who will reign with him. The bible mentions Jesus coming again to the earth to separate the sheep from the goats. Matt. 25 This will happen at the end of the 1000 years. There would be no need for him to do that if he was already here. satan would have been let loose and all those who choose to follow satan, (Goatlike people) will be destroyed in the second death. And then people will live forever on earth as God originally purposed.

yeong foo - posted on November 15, 2018 4:53 am

Bible prophesy expert???!!!!!!!!!!!

Blood bought Big Phil R - posted on January 7, 2019 1:05 pm

Really enjoyed this programme. Excellent points made showing that the Scriptures do teach a literal Millenial reign that has yet to come and only will come following Jesus' second advent. The only conclusion that can be reached by a plain, honest and face value reading of the Bible.

Donna Shirley - posted on February 19, 2019 9:17 pm

The church is not new Israel. God has not written them off.

daniy yel - posted on February 25, 2019 9:38 pm

“..that He may send Jesus, the Christ appointed for you, whom heaven must receive until the period of restoration of all things about which God spoke by the mouth of His holy prophets from ancient time.”

When is the restoration of all things?

..And He who sits on the throne said, “Behold, I am making all things new.” And He said, “Write, for these words are faithful and true.”

What takes place before all things are made new?

How is Jesus reigning physically on Earth before the “restoration of all things” if heaven must receive him until the restoration of all things?

Do you agree that scripture can not be broken?

If so, to understand Acts 3:21 literally one must understand Revelation 20:4 as a reality occurring in the heavenly realm prior to the descent of the holy city, New Jerusalem.

Cristian Szigyarto - posted on March 4, 2019 1:55 am

In estern Europe in our bibles revelation 20 talks about thousands of years of Christ rain not just one thousand years. I think western people changed the Bible.

Virgils Love - posted on March 21, 2019 1:28 am

Love your message on the 1,000 yrs. How would you explain 2 Peter 3:8. A s one day as a thousand years ,a thousand years as one day? To take it as it says or a symbol. I love the Word of God and I believe every Word for it is the Living Word of God. In The Name of JESUS CHRIST AMEN ✝ ?✝ ?✝

Lee Olin - posted on April 1, 2019 3:26 am

You Prophecy experts better study your prophecy again the 1000 years will be in heaven with Christ the dead wicked will be resurrected after the 1000 year Millennium.

Just a Girl Looking Up - posted on April 9, 2019 7:02 pm

I like your comments and what you say makes sense but what I don’t understand is if the bible speaks of this then why are people ignoring or arguing about it? I guess I don’t understand how this would not be taken literally? People are getting so angry and argumentative and more-so than usual, it seems. I wish people could talk to each other with respect. Ears close with anger and accomplishes nothing.

Albert James - posted on June 29, 2019 11:18 pm

I wonder what bible these fellows are reading from that says JESUS will reign 1000 years on this earth.

dave jordan - posted on August 5, 2019 1:03 am

After Jesus rode into Jerusalem on the donkey the Jews subsequently killed him. As a result God destroyed the temple through Rome in A.D 70. If anything it would seem to me that Jesus will rule earth from heavenly Jerusalem, likely through earthly representatives, which will not require the rebuilding of a physical temple. The rebuilt temple served its purpose, it's no longer needed.


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