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Can women be pastors or deacons?

Can women be pastors or deacons?


“Can ladies be priests or deacons?”. Dr Stephen Wellum responses in Honest Answers|Episode72 Watch extra episodes of Honest Answers below:. https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLBA1qC8OOEJBdivoQvS7wtiUgvF5jpkBe. To discover the solution to following week’s concern, do not neglect to SUBSCRIBE:. http://www.youtube.com/c/SouthernSeminary? sub_confirmation= 1. Ask any kind of concerns concerning faith, ministry, or life; as well as have them addressed truthfully by Southern Seminary teachers. Submit your concerns by:. Email: honestanswers@sbts.edu. Twitter: @askHonest Ans. or upload them in the remarks listed below. To find out more concerning researching with a Southern Seminary Professor, most likely to http://www.sbts.edu.
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Glyn J Thomas - posted on July 11, 2019 7:02 pm

Even in the animal kingdom NO

The Pilgrim - posted on July 16, 2019 4:43 pm

God's word says NO!

brothacarllovesjesus - posted on July 21, 2019 7:15 am

PART TWO

THEN MANKIND USES THIS SCRIPTURE AS JUSTIFICATION FOR A WOMAN TO BE A BISHOP SO THEY CAN PASTOR

There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female:  for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. 

GALATIANS 3:28

THEY SAY THERE IS NO MALE OR FEMALE IN CHRIST

SO BY THEIR MISUNDERSTANDING IN USING THIS SCRIPTURE THEY SAY A WOMAN CAN BE A BISHOP AND PASTOR A CHURCH.

WRONG !

GALATIANS 3:28 IS TALKING ABOUT SALVATION (SPECIFICALLY BAPTISM).

LOOK AT THE VERSE RIGHT BEFORE IT.

GALATIANS 3:27

For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 

SO IF YOU ARE A MALE OR A FEMALE AND YOU HAVE BEEN BAPTIZED IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST THEN YOU HAVE PUT ON CHRIST.

THEREFORE, A MALE AND FEMALE ARE ONE IN CHRIST (NO DIFFERENCE) IN WATER BAPTISM IN JESUS NAME.

IN THE OLD COVENANT, ONLY THE MALES WERE CIRCUMCISED IN THE FORESKIN OF THEIR FLESH THE SIGN OF THEIR COVENANT WITH GOD. (A DIFFERENCE, BECAUSE WOMEN WEREN’T CIRCUMCISED).

IN THE NEW COVENANT, WATER BAPTISM IS THE SIGN OF THE NEW COVENANT, THEREFORE BOTH MALE AND FEMALE ARE CIRCUMCISED IN THEIR HEART BEING IN CHRIST BURIED WITH HIM IN BAPTISM.

In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:  12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead. 

COLOSSIANS 2:11, 12

For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly;  neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:  29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly;  and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter;  whose praise is not of men, but of God.  

ROMANS 2:28, 29

THIS DOES NOT GIVE ANYONE AUTHORITY TO CHANGE GOD’S ORDER

NO ORGANIZATION

NO FAITH

NOBODY

WE MUST KNOW HOW TO BEHAVE IN THE HOUSE OF GOD WHICH IS THE CHURCH OF THE LIVING GOD THE PILLAR AND GROUND OF TRUTH

But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.

1 TIMOTHY 3:15

THE CULTURE DOES NOT DICTATE WHAT GOES ON IN GOD’S HOUSE.

THE CULTURE DICTATES MAN’S LAWS BUT IT DOES NOT DICTATE

GOD’S LAWS.

THE CULTURE DOES NOT DICTATE MARRIAGE WITH GOD

THE CULTURE DOES NOT DICTATE GOD’S ORDER

THE CULTURE DOES NOT DICTATE GOD’S HOUSE

WE HAVE SEEN SINCE THE LAST VERSE OF HOLY SCRIPTURE WAS WRITTEN IN 95 A.D. HOW FAR THE CULTURE CAN GO

BUT WE DON’T LINE UP WITH THE WORLD WE LINE UP WITH THE APOSTLES’ DOCTRINE GIVEN TO THEM BY CHRIST JESUS THE CHIEF CORNERSTONE

Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;

JOHN 17:20

And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers. 

ACTS 2:42

And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;

EPHESIANS 2:20

JESUS CHRIST LOVES WOMEN

BUT HE NEVER MADE ANY ONE OF THEM AN APOSTLE

JESUS CHRIST HE LOVES WOMEN BUT HE DOESN’T WANT THEM TO HAVE THAT BURDEN

JESUS CHRIST KNOWS ALL ABOUT WOMEN AND MEN AND HE SET EVERYTHING UP IN IT’S PROPER ORDER

THE CULTURE SAYS, “WE CAN DO WHAT THE MEN DO, WE CAN DO WHAT THE WOMEN DO”

BUT ARE YOU SUPPOSED TO?

IN THE HOLY SCRIPTURES JESUS CHRIST USES TWO TESTAMENTS TO MAKE IT PLAIN.

FOLKS CAN DO MANY THINGS, BUT GOD TELLS YOU EXACTLY WHAT TO DO AND REQUIRES YOU TO DO IT HIS WAY.

THY WILL BE DONE IN EARTH AS IT IS IN HEAVEN.

Thy kingdom come.   Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.

MATTHEW 6:10

NOT THE CULTURE’S WAY

NOT THE WORLD’S WAY

NOT THE ORGANIZATION’S WAY

BUT GOD’S WAY

LINE UP WITH THE WORD OF GOD

SEARCH THE SCRIPTURES FOR IN THEM YOU THINK YOU HAVE ETERNAL LIFE: AND THEY ARE THEY WHICH TESTIFY OF JESUS CHRIST

[ FROM JOHN 5:39 ]

HAVE NO FEAR GOD WILL ALWAYS RAISE UP A MAN TO TAKE CARE OF HIS HOUSE

Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

ROMANS 11:5

AMEN AND AMEN.

brothacarllovesjesus - posted on July 21, 2019 7:15 am

THIS IS HOW YOU DETERMINE IF WOMEN CAN BE A BISHOP (A PASTOR) OF A CHURCH OR NOT

God forbid:  yea, let God be true, but every man a liar;  as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged. 

ROMANS 3:4

DOES IT SAY ANYWHERE IN THE BIBLE THAT A WOMAN CAN USURP AUTHORITY OVER THE MAN (HER HUSBAND)?

YES OR NO ?

IF YOU SAY YES.

THEN PLEASE FIND THE SCRIPTURE AND POST IT FOR ALL THE WORLD TO SEE, ESPECIALLY FOR THOSE IN THE HOUSEHOLD OF FAITH.

IF YOU SAY NO.

THEN WHAT IS THE ARGUMENT?

SAYING THAT A WOMAN CAN BE A BISHOP (A PASTOR) OF A CHURCH IS MANKIND READING INTO THE SCRIPTURE TEXT IN AN ATTEMPT TO PUT WORDS IN GOD’S MOUTH.

1.1 TIMOTHY 3:4, TELLS US,

THE BISHOP (THE PASTOR) MUST RULE WELL HIS OWN HOUSE

2.1 CORINTHIANS 11:3, TELLS US,

THE HEAD OF EVERY MAN IS CHRIST, THE HEAD OF THE WOMAN (WIFE) IS THE MAN (HUSBAND) AND THE HEAD OF CHRIST IS GOD

3.1 TIMOTHY 3:2, TELLS US,

THE BISHOP (THE PASTOR) MUST BE BLAMELESS AND THE HUSBAND OF ONE WIFE, SO THE BISHOP (THE PASTOR) HAS TO BE MARRIED.

4.1 TIMOTHY 3:5, TELLS US ,

THE BISHOP (THE PASTOR) MUST KNOW NOT HOW TO RULE HIS OWN HOUSE, OR HOW CAN HE TAKE CARE OF THE CHURCH OF GOD?

5.1 TIMOTHY 2:12, TELLS US,

THE WOMAN (THE WIFE) CANNOT USURP “SEIZE” AUTHORITY OVER THE MAN (THE HUSBAND)

6.1 TIMOTHY 3:2; 1 TIMOTHY 3:4; 1 CORINTHIANS 11:3; AND 1 TIMOTHY 2:12, TELLS US,

THE BISHOP (THE PASTOR) MUST BE MARRIED

RULE HIS OWN HOUSE WELL

IS HEAD OVER THE WOMAN (HIS WIFE)

THE WOMAN (THE WIFE) CANNOT USURP AUTHORITY OVER HER THE MAN (THE HUSBAND)

HEREIN LIES THE PROBLEM.

A WOMAN (A WIFE) CANNOT USURP AUTHORITY OVER A MAN (HER HUSBAND)

SO A WOMAN CANNOT RULE THE HOUSE

NOT BEING ABLE TO RULE HER OWN HOUSE SHE CANNOT TAKE CARE OF THE HOUSE OF GOD

ANYONE THAT GOES OUT OF THE FUNCTIONALITY SCALE OF GOD WHICH IS:

GOD OVER CHRIST

CHRIST OVER MAN

MAN OVER WOMAN

IS OUT OF ORDER

7.1 CORINTHIANS 14:33; AND 1 CORINTHIANS 14:40, TELLS US,

GOD IS NOT THE AUTHOR OF CONFUSION BUT PEACE IN ALL THE CHURCHES

LET ALL THINGS BE DONE DECENTLY AND IN ORDER

GOD WILL NOT CONTRADICT HIS PLAN OF ORDER

NOT FOR THE CULTURE

NOT FOR WOMAN’S LIBERATION

NOT FOR WEAK BACKBONE MEN

THERE IS NO SCRIPTURE THAT SUPPORTS GOD PUTTING THIS RESPONSIBILITY OF A BISHOP (A PASTOR) ON ANY WOMAN

DEBORAH JUDGED BUT SHE WAS A MOTHER IN ISRAEL LIKE THE MOTHER’S ARE IN THE CHURCH.

The inhabitants of the villages ceased, they ceased in Israel, until that I Deborah arose, that I arose a mother in Israel. 

JUDGES 7:5

MOTHERS JUDGE MATTERS IN THE CHURCH TODAY

The elder women as mothers;  the younger as sisters, with all purity. 

1 TIMOTHY 5:2

If then ye have judgments of things pertaining to this life, set them to judge who are least esteemed in the church.

1 CORINTHIANS 6:4

BUT GOD DID NOT TELL DEBORAH OR ANY WOMAN TO SHEPHERD (PASTOR) ISRAEL OR BE THE CAPTAIN OVER HIS PEOPLE

To morrow about this time I will send thee a man out of the land of Benjamin, and thou shalt anoint him to be captain over my people Israel, that he may save my people out of the hand of the Philistines:  for I have looked upon my people, because their cry is come unto me.

1 SAMUEL 9:16

MIRIAM WAS A PROPHETESS (SO SHE PREACHED)

And Miriam the prophetess, the sister of Aaron, took a timbrel in her hand;  and all the women went out after her with timbrels and with dances. 

EXODUS 15:20

HULDAH WAS A PROPHETESS (SO SHE PREACHED)

So Hilkiah the priest, and Ahikam, and Achbor, and Shaphan, and Asahiah, went unto Huldah the prophetess, the wife of Shallum the son of Tikvah, the son of Harhas, keeper of the wardrobe;  (now she dwelt in Jerusalem in the college;) and they communed with her. 

2 KINGS 22:14

NOADIAH WAS A PROPHETESS (SO SHE PREACHED)

My God, think thou upon Tobiah and Sanballat according to these their works, and on the prophetess Noadiah, and the rest of the prophets, that would have put me in fear.  

NEHEMIAH 6:14

ANNA WAS A PROPHETESS (SO SHE PREACHED)

And there was one Anna, a prophetess, the daughter of Phanuel, of the tribe of Aser:  she was of a great age, and had lived with an husband seven years from her virginity;

LUKE 2:36

ISAIAH’S WIFE WAS A PROPHETESS (SO SHE PREACHED)

And I went unto the prophetess;  and she conceived, and bare a son.   Then said the LORD to me, Call his name Mahershalalhashbaz. 

ISAIAH 8:3

PRISCILLA WAS SKILLED IN THE WORD OF GOD (SO SHE TAUGHT)

And he began to speak boldly in the synagogue:  whom when Aquila and Priscilla had heard, they took him unto them, and expounded unto him the way of God more perfectly. 

ACTS 18:26

PHILIP’S FOUR DAUGHTER’S PROPHESIED (SO THEY PREACHED THE GOSPEL)

And the same man had four daughters, virgins, which did prophesy.

ACTS 21:9

GOD HAS ALWAYS HAD WOMEN PROPHESY (PREACH) HIS WORD

THE SCRIPTURES ALSO SAY WOMEN WHO PREACH SHOULD NOT CUT THEIR HAIR

But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head:  for that is even all one as if she were shaven.

1 CORINTHIANS 11:5

But if a woman have long hair, it is a glory to her:  for her hair is given her for a covering.

1 CORINTHIANS 11:15

SO WE SEE IF ANY MAN SAYS A WOMAN CANNOT PREACH THE GOSPEL THEY CONTRADICT THE BIBLE

JUST AS MUCH AS IF ANY MAN SAYS A WOMAN CAN BE A BISHOP (A PASTOR) THEY ALSO CONTRADICT THE BIBLE

GOD ALMIGHTY, NOT MAN

BUT GOD ALMIGHTY HAS NEVER TOLD ANY WOMAN TO

BE THE CAPTAIN OF MY PEOPLE

BE THE HIGH PRIEST

BE AN APOSTLE

OR BE A BISHOP (A PASTOR) IN THE ENTIRE HOLY SCRIPTURES BIBLE.

[ BISHOP IS THE OFFICE, PASTOR IS THE DUTY ]

[ BISHOP IS WHAT THEY ARE, PASTOR IS WHAT THEY DO ]

BY THE SCRIPTURES THE WOMAN CAN’T EVEN RULE THEIR HER OWN HOUSE

BUT FOLKS WANT THE WOMAN TO BE A BISHOP AND PASTOR GOD’S HOUSE?

THAT AIN’T BIBLE.

victor - posted on July 21, 2019 8:49 pm

Women Ministers

What Does the Bible Say About Women Preachers? by Pastor Keith A. Smith
1. There is not one Scripture in the Bible that forbids women from preaching, but on the contrary, there are many verses that encourage both men and women to preach the Gospel.

2. The Bible teaches that God is not a respecter of persons, and He will use any and all who will yield to Him, regardless of race, age, or sex.

Galatians 3:28 – "…neither male nor female…for ye are all one in Christ Jesus."

Acts 10:34 – "…God is no respecter of persons…."

Moses said in Numbers 11:29, "Would God that all the Lord's people were prophets, and that the Lord would put His spirit upon them!"

The crying need of the hour is for more laborers. It is a trick of the enemy to try to down rate thousands of our faithful laborers just because they were born females.

3. The Great Commission, Mark 16:15, "Preach the Gospel," is to ALL believers, and to all the church of Jesus Christ. The command to "preach the Gospel" is to both male and female.

4. It is an undeniable fact that God has called and anointed thousands of women to preach the Gospel. The Full Gospel organizations
teaching, evangelizing, pastoring, and doing mission work with the signs following their ministry. God is using them for the salvation of the lost, deliverance from sin, gifts of the Spirit, and infilling of the Holy Spirit.

The Bible says, "Touch not mine anointed and do my prophets no harm." And may we be reminded of the Scripture in Acts 5:39, "If it be of God, ye cannot overthrow it; lest haply ye be found even to fight against God."

When someone says, "God does not call women to preach," it is like saying that God does not baptize with the Holy Spirit today. We know better, because we have witnessed and experienced it with our own ears and eyes.

I would be afraid to condemn women preachers, lest I would be found to be fighting against God, and to be committing the vile sin of attributing the works of the Holy Spirit to the devil.

5. Women preachers are a fulfillment of Bible Prophecy and another sign of Christ's soon return to earth (Joel 2:28; Acts 2:17-18).

6. The Bible declares that women will prophesy: 1 Cor. 11:5, "For every woman that prayeth or prophesieth…."

Both the Hebrew (Nebrah), and Greek (Proph) used for prophetess means (female preacher). (See Young's Concordance, Pg. 780.)

The word "Prophet" means a public expounder.

The word "Prophesy" means to speak forth, or flow forth. The Bible says in 1 Cor. 14:3, "But he that prophesieth speaketh unto MEN to edification, and exhortation and comfort."

The dictionary says, prophesy is "to speak under divine inspiration…to preach."

Therefore we learn from the original translation, from the Bible interpretation, and from the dictionary, that to prophesy means more than to tell the future, but it is to speak publicly about the past, present, or future. It is to preach under the anointing of the Holy Spirit.
The Old and New Testament prophets and prophetesses were preachers of God's Word.

Even if the words prophet and preacher could be separated, how could anyone prophesy to bring exhortation, comfort and edification to the church, if she were forbidden to speak in church and was to keep silent?

Would God inspire and anoint someone to do something that was wrong and sinful???

* (There is a difference between a prophet, and the gift of prophecy.)

7. God called and used women preachers in the Old Testament.

a. DEBORAH – Judges 4:4-5. Deborah was a Judge for both civil and criminal cases. The children of Israel came to her for judgment. She was the chief ruler of Israel for 40 years, giving orders to the Generals and all the army. She did the work of an evangelist, prophetess, Judge, and a preacher. God gave her authority over the mighty (Judges 5:13).

b. MIRIAM – Exodus 15:20; Numbers 12:1; Micah 6:4. She was a Prophetess and a Song Leader in Israel.

c. HULDAH – 2 Kings 22:14. Five men went to Sister Huldah and communed with her. She spoke to a congregation of men concerning the book of the Law. A female preached to a man's congregation, and her message was taken to the nation and produced a revival.

d. MAHER-SHALAL-HASH-BAZ'S MOTHER – Isaiah 8:3. She was a prophetess.

8. God called and used women preachers in the New Testament.

a. The first message of the Resurrection of Christ was spoken by women to a group of men.

b. Anna – Luke 2:36-38. She must have prophesied in church, because she did not depart from the temple.

c. Phillip had 4 daughters who prophesied. Acts 21:9.

d. Priscilla assisted Paul in his revival meeting and even taught Apollos in the way of the Lord more perfectly.

e. Phebe – Romans 16:1-2. Paul commended Phebe to the Church at Rome and requested that they assist her in her business. She was one of Paul's assistants in the work of the Lord and delivered the Book of Romans to the people from the hand of Paul.

9. There is no sound reason why a woman or man should not preach the Gospel. There is a desperate need in the church for more workers. Laborers are few, and God will use any and all who will go for Him. Some say God will not use a woman to preach, because "The woman was deceived," but remember Romans 5:12: "Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world." It seems to indicate that Adam was just as guilty as Eve in the fall of man. If anyone should be kept from preaching because of sin, it would be Adam. But God does not forbid anyone from preaching, because of Adam's or Eve's sin.

10. 1 Cor. 14: 34-35 does not say anything about women preachers. If Paul intended this verse as a general rule to bar all women from speaking in church, then they cannot teach Sunday School, testify, pray, prophesy, sing, or even get saved, and this would contradict the rest of the Bible (Acts 2:4; Acts 2:16-18).

Paul was rather dealing with a particular problem in the church. Women were not educated as were the men in that day; therefore the women would talk back and forth to their husbands in church and ask questions concerning the sermon. Paul said, "If they will learn anything, let them ask their husbands at home; for it is a shame for women to speak in the church." If they want to talk things over let them wait until they get home. This rule is still good for the church today, where people are talking and causing confusion in the church service. They should not speak in church. (Not in the back of the church either before or after services.)

If a woman cannot speak in church, then she cannot speak in prayer meeting, young people's service, etc., for who can deny that Sunday School and Prayer meeting, and Youth work are parts of church? Christ's Church is not a building, but rather it is found where two or three are gathered together in His name, whether at a street meeting, in a tent, a home, church, classroom or anywhere else.

buddies1234 fast - posted on July 22, 2019 5:10 am

The bible says that the elder women should teach the other women, this seems to exclude men. Although there is the case of aquila and Priscilla as co ministers together. Priscilla was a business woman, and the Christian movement taught there is neither man, woman, free or slave, but all equal. Revolutionary for its time.

IMA FRIEND - posted on July 22, 2019 12:37 pm

A true overseer will never break Gods order

Joe Cormier - posted on July 24, 2019 2:49 am

Everybody always wants to explain it in a way that makes them feel good and where they can accept it, instead of just taking the word for what it says.

Chris de Boer - posted on July 25, 2019 12:07 am

The bible is so obvious about this question. No a woman shouldn t be preaching. (1cor14). There arent Texts who tell us women can preach. So we need a special code to enlighten us that women can preach? Read the bible as being Gods word. Not via a codex.

Isaac M - posted on July 25, 2019 4:22 am

Nice ?

Yohann Last - posted on July 31, 2019 4:48 am

Why all this Propaganda? Dr. Wellum is talking like Baalim's Ass! The Scripture says EXACTLY:1 Corinthians:
#34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. #35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

1 Timothy:
#11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. #12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

 #13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve. #14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression. #15 Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.  

I was already a pastor when that woman; Joyce Meyer popped up with her Hateful Blasphemies against God and Paul who wrote the Christian Part of the New Testament, and We Southern Baptists reject Jesus as a teacher because Jesus Only Came to Die, then His Work Ends & The LAW ENDS. The NEW LAW was written by Paul and Apollonias, to reflect the New Spirit of the Ages, no more Cutting the Flesh, and Eat all the Swine you Like, Sin is In Thinking Wrong, all Carnal Deeds are not Sins.

Apparently you are not a Southern Fort Worth Seminary graduate, or they have turned into a '"Teacher of Silly Wives Tales"' CIT: For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,

The All Power Team - posted on August 7, 2019 4:19 pm

It seems like you don't want to GIVE THE PEOPLE THE TRUTH without making it so digestible and caramel coated that by the time you're done explaining…maybe no, but then again maybe kind of yes too! LET ME HELP YOU AND EVERYONE HERE! The answer is HELL NO!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Ba1TORTihI

Dan - posted on August 10, 2019 12:06 pm

It seems that in 1 Tim. there are 3 classes of people listed. The first are elders. The second are Deacons. The third are women. Women are listed as a separate group outside of Elders and Deacons. It is logical to assume that since Elders and Deacons are to be "husbands"and that women are listed as outside those two groups ,they could not be included in those groups.

Steeve Cantave - posted on August 11, 2019 6:17 pm

Can someone please show me where Jesus ever cared about world views when it came to preaching the Gospel? I understand that it's hard and that no one is Jesus, but these pastors need to speak without ambiguity. John the Baptist got his head cut off because he rebuked Herod Antipas for marrying his brother's wife. Now, some pastors are even afraid to say homosexuality is wrong. As a human, it's hard to take one himself away from the world, and I would respect a pastor who said that. However, trying to not offend people is doing a disservice to the Word of God. I have not once seen a pastor that children shouldn't honor their mothers and fathers. Why? Because it's accepted by society, so it takes no courage to say. However, when society believes contrary to the Bible, pastors try to please society by trying to find "context."

Clayton Barfield - posted on August 19, 2019 10:23 pm

No.

Nicole Little - posted on August 21, 2019 1:23 am

NO WAY!!!

Douglas - posted on August 23, 2019 1:11 pm

EVERY man and women in favor of women speaking in the church assembly…. is't because….
"They did Not like to retain God in their knowledge, and "They received not, the love of the truth"……

What you're hearing them spew forth, is the "vain imaginations", and "strong delusions", which GOD has sent them
Romans 1:28-32 & 2 Thessalonians 2:10-12 Kj-15611…… "That they all might be damned, who believe not the truth"

Down to the Core Productions - posted on August 27, 2019 3:36 am

I think it's ok for Women to teach/being a pastor

Jaeger Meister - posted on August 27, 2019 4:31 pm

It's actually biblically very simple. Woman can not teach or be in a position of authority over men in the Church. End of story. Can there be women teachers? Of course. As long as they are only teaching other women or children.

KellyR - posted on August 30, 2019 12:40 am

Ah yes. Despite being made in the full image of God women, and with that God in them, can somehow (by the power of man), be seen as fully made in the image God but also less than the rest of the image. Clearly, the image of God is a shadow box.

Nay Nay - posted on August 30, 2019 3:59 am

" there were Apostles, but they have now passed off the scene…"
If we are talking about the origional 12, then obviously yes; they have gone on to be with The Lord. However, The Bible never says that the role of apostleship ever left. Ephesians 4:11-13/" And he (Jesus) gave some, APOSTLES; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; For the perfecting of the saints (not just a specific time period), for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: Till we all come in the unity of the faith (hasn't quite happened yet, but I believe God is moving and doing a work concerning that), and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the fulness of Christ:…". My point: apostles, just like evangelists, pastors, and teachers, are still for today! Because we, The Body of Christ, always need perfecting, for the work of The Ministry, for the edifying of The Body of Christ. Apostles have not just been given to us for a specific/ "special" time frame, but for a specific purpose, to help us," grow up into Him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:.." (Eph. 4:15).

darinwaynec - posted on September 4, 2019 1:52 pm

No offense my friend…but as one professor to another, you are wrong on many levels.

Blaise Ayika - posted on September 8, 2019 11:02 am

Don't waste your time watching this.
This man has no interest in answering the question. He is trying his best to be like Joel Osteen in making sure to run circles around the point, while being very careful to never touch the point.

Roleta Fereti Nuuola - posted on September 10, 2019 3:11 am

God bless http://www.fireandhammer.com ?

Ruth Wanczowski - posted on September 14, 2019 9:38 pm

If you follow Paul, then , you are a Pauline follower. Paul, gives overwhelming exhortations that are oppressive ( ungodly as Jesus is against oppression ) Rather than lamenting at our inability to fit into an idea of what a “godly woman” is, we should instead joyfully take our place in the long line of women who might have ruffled a few feathers in the name of the Lord. Whether we have a fierce sense of justice like Deborah or we are called to proclaim the Gospel like Priscilla, whether we courageously protect the vulnerable like Esther or we are every kind of “wrong” but are determined to be faithful and obedient to Jesus like the Samaritan woman at the well, Jesus wants us all to spread the gospel. None is exempt from spreading the gospels. Remember, we are the church and our body is the temple of Christ and not a building.

ǟȶɦɛɨֆȶ ֆʟǟʏɛʀ - posted on September 15, 2019 10:21 pm

I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man she must be quiet. I think that's quite clear. The woman is not the head of the house and therefore cannot be the head of the church. although you Protestants are actually the spirit of antichrist anyway so you wouldn't respect that rule.

Far far Away - posted on September 17, 2019 1:19 am

God is clear – Men are to Pastor and elders. Women aren't to lead flocks.

Aaron Jones-Murphy - posted on September 17, 2019 4:06 am

The aurgement is simple about women roles in the church according to scripture. I do agree that the majority of the positions were for or were created for men, but when it comes to the "letters" that Paul written we have to be "very careful" not to take scripture out of context.

1. Just because the Bible is God inspired does not mean that "God spoke on everything". Inspired in the context that it is used means "approves", which mean that all that is "said", all that was "done", and all the "books and letters" were divinely approved by God to be put in the Bible.

2. The letter were conversations between either two or more people. Timothy wrote Paul on some issues that he was having in his church. Paul "gave his opinion" on matters that were going on in churches in foreign regions. Like in 1 Corinthians 14:34‭-‬35 NIV were it says "Like in Women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the law says. If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church." If you read the entire scripture in context then you will see that "this is a human male opinion" not a spoken commandment of God. Another example that I didn't put up is 1 Timothy 2:11‭-‬15 NIV were it says "A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet. For Adam was formed first, then Eve. And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner. But women will be saved through childbearing—if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety." Now in these passage alone who is "I"? I the Lord of host? I your God? or I as in "from my opinion" what it says to be according to Paul? Paul believe that women should not be in a leadership position because "Eve was tempted by the Serpent" which lead to the fall of man when in actuality it was the fault of "Adam" because he was the "head of Eve", was told "twice" not "once" "TWICE" by God to not eat from neither of the Tree of Knowledge and the Tree of Knowledge and still went alone with the deception dispite being in a "leadership". So what must be known is that if God "didn't tell Paul" to give his opinion, it is not God inspired but an opinion given by a human to another in conversational form through writing letters.

3. You have to be careful to not confuse the actions or verbiage of a person or people in the Bible to be that of God because you will end up distoring the "true nature of God". What Paul said to Timothy has no God merit to it, you should know that God approved the conversation to be placed in the Bible but that is not God's opinion or commandment, it is that of a Human's opinion. Cause you can end saying that the Serpent talking to Eve was God talking or even Peter using profanity is God talking.

I hope that it somewhat ends the whole "can women be in leadership positions in the church" argument. Plus I would advise people to read the Bible and under the message, verse, and scripture in "CONTEXT" so that the word or anything being said in the Bible isn't "distorted".

Damian Martinez - posted on September 17, 2019 8:33 pm

Funny how easy and basic and clear written it is but u still have those who disobey Gods word.
1. For money. Stand to lose alot of money for not stroking peoples egos.
2. Pride and self idolatry.
Timothy verse is clear and it also correlates perfectly with genesis 3:10 .
3. NOT ONCE IN THE BIBLE EVER NOR EVER WILL BE……IS ONE WOMAN EVER…….ORDAINED BY GOD TO BE A PREACHER.
Not once.
They have ladies mentioned, yes. But never took the role of one. Period !

the black capitalist - posted on September 19, 2019 4:48 pm

no!!!!

Alice Zimmermann - posted on September 21, 2019 9:43 pm

I wonder how the Bible will evolve with the inclusion of deliberately left-out texts? I see a future with a new Bible which no longer makes man dominant over women. To complement one another means that elder women do possess the wisdom necessary for diplomatic “pastoring” and guidance… perhaps even more so, for women truly understand the suffering of the world. The current establishment of Christianity is clearly built on a foundation of patriarchy, from a time when when men dominated the material world and women were possessions or “lesser” beings. This has changed and will continue to change until balance in wisdom is achieved. Women as pastors and deacons and other spiritual offices still unfortunately pose a threat… when it no longer does, we will have a more peaceful and balanced world, overall.

Snuggles - posted on September 23, 2019 2:38 am

1. In the beginning there was God, 2. God made man with his bare hands from dust. 3. God made woman from man's rib. Not God, then woman, then man.

Ganzi P - posted on September 24, 2019 12:50 am

A lot of beating around the bush, I was worried it was to give the wrong answers. But you're right

Verum Est Mundum - posted on September 24, 2019 2:20 pm

This is one of the fruits of the Protestant movement and when you put power into the hands of lay people or people without a God-given authority.

Another reason why the Protestant Reformation was a disaster to be honest.

All bishops are elders – not all elders are bishops. It's really not that difficult. The only way to have a legitimate hierarchy or authority is through apostolic succession.

Ct Bt - posted on September 27, 2019 8:59 pm

He is beaten around the bush. Just another the question.


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