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John Piper - Men's and women's roles

John Piper – Men’s and women’s roles
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Joe Tipps - posted on September 5, 2013 8:20 pm

Thank you

shopk7 - posted on November 18, 2013 1:26 pm

80% of divorces are initiated by women … even in the church.  Yet I have never heard a sermon on 'Women Stop Divorcing Your Husbands'. 

Voeuse Joue - posted on February 28, 2015 10:05 pm

lies and excuses. smoothly discount a current problem. kudos for a fine speech.

LukeTheGeek - posted on January 8, 2016 8:12 pm

Great words, Piper. 🙂

atestring100 - posted on March 21, 2017 6:14 pm

In the Synagogue prayer book there is an ancient prayer that makes would repeat that says
God thank you that I am not a Gentile , a slave, or a women and the females would then say
Thank You God for making me according to your will.
Would this prayer pleaser the so called complimentarians

Geoff Halpin - posted on March 30, 2017 1:43 am

Piper and co. not only believe in women submitting to men, they forbid women from official leadership roles in the church. That's half the human population. They deny the clearest interpretation of Genesis 1 – 3, which is that male and female were created to co-rule the earth but the fall severely damaged that intention. This clip does nothing to justify Piper's view on headship. By forbidding women access to the same leadership roles of men he's leaving them with the silly example of women he describes. The headship he claims from Genesis simply isn't there. It's inferred from inadequate translations of 'helper' which actually means one who powerfully comes alongside to help or save. It is the same word used of God as 'helper'. Piper can claim that his view of headship doesn't come from the fall as much as he likes. However, it does. Males ruling females is the result of the fall. Not God's intention. I'm glad he tries to correct the abuses of women that a distorted belief in headship contributes to. However, he and his Gospel Coalition would be better off simply dropping it in line with the excellent biblical scholarship now available to anyone who can be bothered reading it. Of course, I'm sure Piper knows of and rejects these arguments. I just wish more lay people would read them. They might be surprised that what they thought was the clear teaching of scripture isn't clear at all and to insist that women always and everywhere submit to men, and to forbid the total female population from leadership and eldership, is not God's intention.

PittsburghPenguinsFan30 - posted on May 12, 2017 9:53 pm

Gender roles don't exist.

Emu81 - posted on May 15, 2017 10:24 pm

What a horrible, pious, little man

atestring100 - posted on September 18, 2017 12:13 pm

The Bible say, women shalt wipe butts in the nursery because male and female are equal but they roles are different . So women get out the diapers and start wiping
It's your role!!!!

Miss Fizz - posted on October 28, 2017 4:16 am

So well said! Truth! For those Christians who are offended, open your bibles to Timothy 2:11-15. You will clearly read that men and women have different roles, both of equal importance, but different. The feminist charged world we live in doesn’t change God’s word.

Nikita - posted on November 15, 2017 4:21 am

I am not too familiar Mr Piper as a speaker, but the ways he speaks about men and women here shows clear understanding, gentle understanding. Especially how roles have become extreme and when they come into line with the rich and loving character of christ they balance out and complement each other.

GRACE AND TRUTH FELLOWSHIP - posted on May 8, 2018 4:35 am

Hopefully this clarifies what the word says about women’s roles in the church and it’s not what most think.

atestring100 - posted on June 2, 2018 1:35 am


Pairson Shimray - posted on July 10, 2018 9:04 am

Wow wonderful though u gave us

Douglas - posted on July 15, 2018 12:34 pm

God explains (IN HIS WORD), that (HE) sends this "PROFOUND REASONING" to all women AND MEN, who don't agree with HIS forbidding women in headship over men spiritually.
But HE doesn't call it Profound Reasoning. HE calls it "STRONG DELUSION" & "VAIN IMAGINATIONS"…..which HE sends them, every one. ….
It is in Romans 1:18-32, and 2 Thessalonians 2:10-12 KJV. Once we who DO tremble as Gods EVERY Word, get this, we'll understand God is not "KIDDING, and we'll understand Matthew 7:14 KJV, very clearly. "Straight is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leaders to life, and few there be that find it", Burn all revised books, taken form the revised Greek. Get a REAL KJV Bible.

Ryan Ehlis - posted on August 20, 2018 6:16 am

Junia was a lady Apostle in Romans 16. And furthermore I was under a lady Pastor of a church for years, and she was an excellent Pastor.

DAMIAN WHITE - posted on November 28, 2018 3:50 pm

You are, Mr. Piper a sexist little weasel

gwen keto - posted on December 1, 2018 12:55 am

Enslavement of women by men given full authority and all power in everything. Power imbalances corrupt.

hurricane Katrina more like hurricane tortilla - posted on December 1, 2018 9:37 am


hurricane Katrina more like hurricane tortilla - posted on December 1, 2018 9:39 am

Lmao guess I'm not going to heaven because I believe in equality

Luna Western Star - posted on January 15, 2019 8:26 am

Yeah I’m not a christian anymore

MICHAEL DUKES - posted on February 15, 2019 3:06 pm

I greatly respect Pastor John, but can he talk about women’s faults for once, instead of just how men can fail at spiritual headship?

JESUSis COMINGSOON - posted on February 27, 2019 3:37 pm

I pray John Piper NEVER stops preaching TRUTH! As always, WONDERFUL MESSAGE. 🙂

ughkook - posted on April 5, 2019 12:58 am

Anyways, men are little bitches.

Jfine Isaac - posted on April 21, 2019 9:12 am

I understand that's why female been treated too badly by men

K A - posted on April 24, 2019 9:09 pm

Never heard this man speak. But I'm a woman and yes there are different roles for men and women in the church and in marriage. We are equal spiritually but God has a order of things. Women today want to lead, rule, take charge, be in charge, and have and do everything a man does. Now if your not a confessing believer in Jesus Christ then this won't pertain to you because you don't obey God's teachings. But those who are believers are called to obey what God has put in place. Men are to lead and women are helpers. I can say more on this but it would be like a book. Look at the world and you can see that when you take God's order of things out of order you get disorder in everything. Satan's the master of disorder.

Dan Sutton - posted on April 29, 2019 6:56 pm

Scriptures clearly teach about the unique roles of women in the church and at home. They're equal with men in dignity and value, but they have different role during this earthly sojourn. God has given women many different gifts by which women can minister to the church and to the world, but they're not to serve as pastors, which is holding governmental authority within The Body of Christ; and the prohibition is grounded in creation and the fall 1 Tim @-15. 
-It was Eve who was deceived, not Adam Gen @. 
-God (The Beings in The Blessed Trinity are all male) created man in His image, and authorised man to rule over the whole world Gen @-27, not woman. 
-Man is the image and glory of God, in the dominion he bears over the creation, representing the supreme dominion of God, which is his glory, not woman 1 Cor 11:7
-Woman came from man, this is the order 1 Cor 11:8.
-Woman created for man's sake, not the other way round 1 Cor 11:9
-God made Eve out of Adam (not the other way round), and she is to be man's helper Gen @. 
-Scripture is clear that God has given governmental authority onto man, and not woman; and this authority goes right into our very homes: man is head over the woman, Christ is head over man, and The Father is head over Christ 1 Cor 11:3, Eph @-24. 
-Man is to honour his wife and care for her with love and tenderness, because the woman is the weaker 1 Peter 3:7.

These are the biblical ordinances which are being viciously assaulted; therefore today we have an increasingly large number of effeminate men, and masculine females; taking on roles that are anti-biblical, against the natural order of creation which God intended, violating God's Holy Commandments. Today the LBGTs are taking on pastoral roles; 1 sin spreads to other parts of the body Gal 5:9.

Gold Gold - posted on May 11, 2019 7:52 pm

The word used in gen 2:18 is `ezer , helper. And `ezer is a special word, that is used to describe the way G-d helps people. The English translation does not do justice to the amazing role that was given to women.
“The word ezer is used twenty-one times in the Old Testament. Twice it is used in the context of the first woman. Three times it is used of people helping (or failing to help) in life-threatening situations.[3] Sixteen times it is used in reference to God as a helper.”
Think on that.

Lili - posted on May 31, 2019 8:42 am

SEX AND GOD,  Christian women, are
you tired of being subjugated and dictated to by the strange ideas of the men
in your church?  how they demand that you
deny yourself the opportunity to explore your sexuality and demand that you be
virginal when married, stay married to one man for the rest of your life and
follow the rules written by some old Arabs to control their women in the Bronze
age.  Now is the time to stand up for
yourself and inform those rules and regulations men that you are the owner of
your body and it is nobodies business but your own how you have sexual
intercourse and with whom.  If you give
in to these religious control freaks imagine how dull and dreary the rest of
your life will become, always wondering what it would have been like to enjoy
intimate relationships with different partners and experience the variance and
richness of life.  It`s time to break
away from your restrictive religious life and have some fun instead of being
told what you should and should not do and think all the time, religion is all
about control, men need to control the body and thoughts of women and make us
into robots subservient to themselves by using the guilt element of an
imaginary man in the sky,  Break free now
and be free forever.  Blessed be.

Joshua Martinez - posted on June 6, 2019 1:32 pm


DeepRedBlue - posted on June 11, 2019 10:28 am

He is talking about equality as if it has made things worse, yet there was MUCH more abuse within marriages in the past, when men were given more power. Anyone who truly cares about their fellow humans would not want to go back to a time when women were property, when rape in marriages was legal and domestic abuse considered understandable.

To choose to be kind to one another in relationships is much more a reflection of God's love than to create an easily abused power balance.

Charmaine Abbott Moorhouse - posted on June 12, 2019 7:54 pm

God used kathryn kuhlman a Great Woman of God to bring forth his word in humility

GoneBamboo - posted on June 18, 2019 4:37 pm

All that is required to make a man a leader is to get behind him, have his back as some would say.

Kevin McLemore - posted on June 18, 2019 10:13 pm

Wow this is ungodly! How shameful.

Elohim clearly said why wives must submit themselves to their husbands…they were deceived by the enemy. Gave a legal right to continue.

Blatant attempt to pervert the Word of Yah for the sake of female congregants. Idolatry

Don - posted on June 25, 2019 1:17 pm

Nonsense! The fall of man didn’t do this, nor did a deviation from a Christ like way of loving, leading or providing for the family (whatever that means). Feminism and the conflation of gender roles did this.

Kevin HM8404 - posted on June 25, 2019 10:54 pm

A person’s role should be whatever they choose it to be, not what a book written millennia ago by goat herders. How are people still following this garbage 2,000 years later?

Hannah Ghali - posted on July 4, 2019 5:35 pm

These are all instructions and rules from Paul in his letters which was sent to a specific people at specific Paul also was a pharesii. If these rules are not from God for each man and woman in our time till end of days, then the preacher is committing blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. Also, if these preaching causes a woman or a girl to stumble on her faith because you teach her that she should be punished for Eve's sin
then here are 2 verses for you from the bible

"It would be better for them to be thrown into the sea with a millstone tied around their neck than to cause one of these little ones to stumble."

"Let him who is without sin cast the first stone"

Luna Western Star - posted on August 15, 2019 2:33 pm

This is disgusting cultlike material

Ipostle - posted on August 19, 2019 1:13 pm

Too much emotionalism for a good reading of God's Word. I'll pass

Thomas Coffin - posted on August 25, 2019 3:34 pm

Women deserve pleasure, try to denied a woman of pleasure.

Thomas Coffin - posted on August 25, 2019 3:35 pm

Becuase women are abusive also.

Jew Shirls - posted on September 15, 2019 12:06 pm

doc Piper has little room to speak on this issue as he endorses Beth Moore (an ardent feminist) and fellow celebrity pastor who "teaches over men" as a woman 'pastor'

The Red Sterling Mc'Bae - posted on September 19, 2019 3:13 am

Yup, xtians are bonkers. Leave em where you found em. Any woman in her right mind who marries a xtian man is no longer in her right mind. Keep xtians out of your life, along with their barbaric, overbearing, ultra judgemental Abrahamic faith cousins and even political parties where they most congregate. You'll find true peace. Ot doesn't take a genius to see that anything under the Abrahamic Faith Umbrella is no friend to women. If you want to plug your ears and deny that and throw away all dignity in this one life you were granted, it's your life to throw away.

Jeffrey Romero - posted on September 21, 2019 1:25 pm

Believe the whole word of God or nothing at all. His word does not conform to man, it's the other way around.

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