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Why don't women read or pray in Bethlehem's church services?

Why don’t women read or pray in Bethlehem’s church services?
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Charles Bucher - posted on October 4, 2016 4:47 am

OOOH, I know, I know, pick me, pick me! It's because it's a misogynistic ministry that is based off of archaic patriarchal and oppressive interpretations of Scripture! This was fun! Can I do more?

SouleFull - posted on June 3, 2017 7:40 am

…there's a little deceit in that response or thinking, sadly to say.

Gold Eagle - posted on June 30, 2017 8:16 pm

Women should boycott.

atestring100 - posted on July 10, 2017 1:55 pm

Can a Male that is not a pastor or elder pray in your pulpit. If it represents Pastoral authority then shouldn't​' Plain laymen not be allowed to pray in the pulpit regardless of the plumbing in our body?

Hannah Wills - posted on July 13, 2017 6:51 pm

magic pulpit, idol of a pulpit,
blah, his condescending compliments at the end.

Heidi Stauff - posted on August 8, 2017 11:39 pm

Misogynist. Some day he will answer to God for this.

elialapo - posted on September 7, 2017 5:43 pm

What if the woman is a pastor or an elder?

The Valentine Show - posted on October 9, 2017 2:35 am

1 Timothy 3:1-7New King James Version (NKJV)

Qualifications of Overseers
3 This is a faithful saying: If a man desires the position of a bishop,[a] he desires a good work. 2 A bishop then must be blameless, the HUSBAND of one wife, temperate, sober-minded, of good behavior, hospitable, able to teach; 3 not given to wine, not violent, not greedy for money,[b] but gentle, not quarrelsome, not covetous; 4 one who rules his own house well, having his children in submission with all reverence 5 (for if a man does not know how to rule his own house, how will he take care of the church of God?); 6 not a novice, lest being puffed up with pride he fall into the same condemnation as the devil. 7 Moreover he must have a good testimony among those who are outside, lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.

Husband = Male

If you are going to answer me back please answer with a Bible verse.

Dean Taylor - posted on December 11, 2017 10:48 pm

The Comments below are sad. I appreciate that John Piper and the Bethlehem congregation can maintain biblical things like this in an age when it unpopular. I mean….We are talking about church and worship here not American politics or something. …Really its not about what John Piper thinks but about what God thinks.

The bible is actually perfectly clear on the subject. Even if it is unpopular what Piper is describing is what the Bible says.

Please listen to a few of these scriptures with an open mind:

"1 Cor 14:34-35 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.And if they will learn anything, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church."

1 Timothy 2:11-12
"Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence."

1 Timothy 3:1-7 ESV
"The saying is trustworthy: If anyone aspires to the office of overseer, he desires a noble task. Therefore an overseer must be above reproach, the husband of one wife, sober-minded, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach, not a drunkard, not violent but gentle, not quarrelsome, not a lover of money. He must manage his own household well, with all dignity keeping his children submissive, for if someone does not know how to manage his own household, how will he care for God's church? "

Charissa Ruth - posted on January 2, 2018 9:03 pm

Wow. Yuck. Some of the best and most Christlike pastors I’ve ever had are women. Reading the Bible requires looking at the context, the backstory and the time period when it was written. Also, the first person to share the good news that Christ was resurrected was a woman – Mary. This video and oppressive theology is so harmful.

1D 1R A C U 1L A 209 !! - posted on January 7, 2018 8:40 am

Let's be honest. Woman are subordinate to men , they are here to serve and help us just like eve was created for. Created to help Adam. However , in recent times with the rise of the feminist movement it appears females don't want equality with men, They want to rule over all men. I was so happy when Trump won the presidency over Hillary. She was going to usher in a whole can of worms like you have no idea. God saved us ?

Allen Medvers - posted on January 20, 2018 4:57 am

There is a blessing for obeying.
We were a thriving penticostal church on the edge of carnal crazy popular. No problem with lots of woman singers. Testimonies. Organist. Childrens church.etc.
It started with a 2 woman imparticular. One very carnal rich and married.
One single fornicator (but no one knew it.) Both had no problem rebuking men.
Both were very powerful in promoting there influence on the pastor who was to busy gathering tithe money to build a bigger church. Big red flags flying all over but who cares.
The single girl quit and the rich lady years later divorced and led many astray. Now 20 years later i see how the Lord/enemy brought them as a test we failed miserably. I believe the jezebel spirit can creat a zeal in a woman that is self seeking.
But also im against any man or woman speaking any time in any church when out of Gods will. Gods order. Out of authority. Offending people.
I could write a book on it and include several imbittered woman(my exwife included) ive met and pastors cant control them.

Deb Harris - posted on March 30, 2018 1:10 pm

I hsve come to sadly learn that churches are not following what their Bible teaches , not just this area , but in 1 Corinthians 5:11 too

innerfire89 - posted on May 14, 2018 7:04 am

When people take issue with the biblical roles of women in the Chruch, it's never about how they they want to serve and edify the congregation, it's about ego and feeling significant based on feminist ideals.

Just One Time - posted on July 2, 2018 11:35 pm

So single men can't be elders or pastors too right?

Da Bish - posted on October 2, 2018 9:39 pm

This question didn't even need to be asked, except by perhaps a new Christian. All others should know about the gender roles in the local church body.

Christine Merritt - posted on October 17, 2018 5:10 am

I also feel sad. This man has Holy wisdom, but he is NOT always accurate. It is SO SAD!!!! The Holy Spirit inside of ME simply does not agree.

lib hamby - posted on November 3, 2018 7:05 pm


Ashleigh Armstrong - posted on January 5, 2019 1:03 pm

If they dont let unmarried men and plain men who have not proven themselves authority in the church to pray @ the pulpit, then i agree with this. Otherwise, it is very difficult for me to understand. I get a ton if great info from this man and learn a lot from him. An answer and explanation would be awesome here for me. Thanks. God bless all of us.

Catrina Gardner - posted on March 17, 2019 10:00 pm

This is the logos but if you go deeper and rightly divide the word of Truth study the Hebrew and receive the Rhema word of God you will discover this is not literal. This is not God's original intent…He is Just and the same Holy Spirit abiding in me is not to be silenced by my gender.

Fransz Broker - posted on May 28, 2019 1:31 am

1      Rules: Disgraceful
Has anyone ever told you about any
of these verses? Almost certainly not. Yet, they are basic, and have
been in the Bible for thousands of years!
What good does it do if you violate Gods Laws.
Mattew 5:19 { It is unmistakable clear}
1Corinthians 14:34
Women should remain silent in churches. They are not allowed to speak,
but must be in submission , as the law says.
1Cointhians 14:35
If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their husbands
at home,
for it is disgraceful for a women to speak in the church.
1Timothy 2:10-14
But with what is proper for women who profess godliness—with good
works. Let a woman learn quietly with all submissiveness.
I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a
rather, she is to remain quiet. For Adam was formed first, then Eve;
and Adam was not deceived, but the woman was deceived and became a
It is the craft of Satan to make us think and speak of the Divine law
as uncertain or unreasonable, and so to draw us to sin; it is our
wisdom to keep up a firm belief of God's commands, and a high
respect for it.
1 Corinthians 11:3 But I would have you know, that the
head of every man is Christ; and the head
of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.
Ephesians 5:6 Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because
of such things God's wrath comes on those who are disobedient. 
Matthew 5:19 Anyone who breaks one of the least of these
commandments and teaches others to do the same will
be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and
teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of
Galatians 1:8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach
a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned!  
Hebrews 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we
have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more a
sacrifice for sins,  These are waterless springs and mists driven by
a storm; for them that ignore Gods commandments, the deepest
darkness has been reserved.  For they speak bombastic nonsense,
and with licentious desires of the flesh they entice people who have
just escaped from those who live in error.  They promise them
freedom, but they themselves are slaves of corruption; for people
are slaves to whatever masters them.  For if, after they have
escaped the defilement of the world through the knowledge of our
Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and
overpowered, the last state has become worse for them than the
first.  For it would have been better for them never to have
known the way of righteousness than, after knowing it, to turn back
from the holy commandment that was passed on to them.  

Isaiah 55:11 so is my word that goes out from my mouth: It will
not return to me empty, but will accomplish what I desire and
achieve the purpose for which I sent it.   Colossians 2:8
Be careful that no one takes you captive through philosophy and
empty deceit based on human tradition, based on the elemental forces
of the world, and not based on Christ.
Proverbs 28:9 If anyone turns a deaf
ear to my instruction, even their prayers are detestable.
Can the Father be any more clear?Psalm 75:8
The LORD holds a cup in his hand, filled with the strong wine of his
wrath. He pours it out, and all the wicked drink it; they drink it
down to the last drop.  
Matthew 5:19   Gods wrath comes on those who are disobedient 
John 15:6
If anyone does not abide in me he is thrown away like a branch and
withers; and the branches are gathered, thrown into the fire, and burned.

So han, let no  religious Preacher,  Minister , Pastor , Church or
anybody tell you any  different.    Proverbs 28:9  If one turns away his ear from hearing the
law, even his prayer is an abomination.

Caleb Dominikovich - posted on July 5, 2019 4:50 am

Those who agree with John Piper: do you forget that Paul had messengers who would deliver his’ letters to churches? A few of them were women. They not only delivered his’ letters but they read them out to the whole church, explaining Paul’s teaching and going into greater depth!

How about you get off your high horses and do some proper research on context of the verses in 1 Corinthians and 1 Timothy before you start exerting your ill-informed opinions on the word of God.

What a shame it is to know that churches are missing out on hearing God’s revelation of truth and love through many devoted and strong servants who happen to be female.

James Evans - posted on October 5, 2019 8:30 pm


Lee Simmons - posted on October 6, 2019 11:07 pm

Well John I give you credit for admitting this is your rule and not based on a correct reading of Scripture.

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