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Suicide and Salvation // Ask Pastor John

Suicide and Salvation // Ask Pastor John


EPISODE 352// MAY 29, 2014// desiringgod.org/interviews/suicide-and-salvation. For a lot more Ask Pastor John episodes, check out desiringgod.org/ask-pastor-john.
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34 COMMENTS

Nick Shuler - posted on August 27, 2019 11:40 pm

Food for thought, but, the bible says accept me, and admit i died for u on the cross, and confess your sins, from your lips, and from your heart, and nothing will ever seperate you from me, nothing, period, mental illness people is very real, and if you accept jesus, and you dont deny him, he wont deny you, but remember, i dont know you, and you dont know me, but you are loved, wanted, and needed, a plan is waiting for you, the design, has your name on it, it would be a shame to waste it, right?⛪⛪⛪⛪⛪??

Dylan Johnt - posted on August 31, 2019 2:04 am

So you're telling me that just because god curses someone with a vessel that isn't good enough and they can rightfully be mad at him but still go to hell if they commit suicide? Fuck that and fuck the followers of that

oaklandsoldier - posted on September 3, 2019 3:44 am

I think about suicide everyday.

Denzell Lewis - posted on September 7, 2019 6:46 am

To be honest… I think of it daily. Thinking of it now led me to this video. Using a threat of eternal torment isn’t ideal. We all live in torment daily. A sentence none of us asked for. Constantly Christianity says we’re worthless, sinful creatures unworthy. Fall short. We allegedly bear the blame of an apple millennia ago before anyone else was born. I do wish to point out, if God and Jesus are in fact one in the same, he killed himself on the cross. At the very least, he killed his son because he had the knowledge power and presence to stop it before time began. He had the foreknowledge. So you say, choosing to exit out of this disgusting torment early will result in eternal torment? Do you ever think about the logic you preach? Do you realize how immoral and disgusting it is to create beings and torment them with your fallen angels? Temptations, famine, poverty. Constant torment. Why? That’s not love. Often a reassurance is to constantly say prayer. Pray. Pray. Why? Your will matters not. God’s will is superior. What he wants is what will be, not your little bones pressed together at night. I’ve prayed. I used to believe. Much like Santa Claus and the tooth fairy when I was a kid. Foolish to swallow all those silly fables. The biblical account of god sounds like a very cruel sadistic being who must enjoy spawning people to be tortured until death and if they don’t do or think as he wishes, burn them forever….because he loves you.

Felix Mitchell - posted on September 8, 2019 1:57 am

Let there be one of you of selfish act to take back the authority that you surrendered to God BACK for yourself and to tell God to get off the throne and to take his seat and say " i run this you have no authority over me " and jump into a dark void by killing themsleves…attacking the IMAGE OF GOD…the TEMPLE OF GOD…the SPIRIT OF GOD which is BLASPHEMY AGAINST THE HOLY SPIRIT INSIDE OF YOU….and turning into a stumbling block for many throwing them into confussion thinkong "why?" And having them ALSO to jump in the dark void with you. Gods mercy and grace will not be played as your instument to commit murder….an unrepentant murderer will not enter Gods kindgom wilist his hands being soaked in blood. God will not be mocked….and dont think " ill stab myself and bleed out which will give me plenty of time to ask God for forgivness ill be good "……Your only fooling yourself 1 Corinthians 3:16-17 says that if anyone destroys the temple GOD WILL DESTROY HIM!. but many of you throw your hands up and say that paul was talking about the church!  yet paul identifies US as a temple as well in 1st corinthians 6:19-20! So if God were to destroy someone who would would destroy his temple. What do you think he will do if you destryoed your body which is the temple of God! Both scriptures mirror each other!. But this generation is so soaked up in compasion and comfort they MOCK god and advocate murder by saying " its a sin but if your in christ you are forgiven " so many people have died by listening to pastors who say " its not the unforgivable sin " and how " as long as you are in christ you are forgiven" these…..THIS GENARATION HAS SUCCUMBED TO TAKING GODS MERCY AND GRACE TO KILL THEMSELVES ALL WHILE PROCLAIMING THAT THEY LOVE GOD…… BUT JOHN 14:15 SAYS THIS…IF YOU LOVE ME KEEP MY COMMANDMENTS!!!! ENDURE TO THE END PEOPLE AND READ THE SCRIPTURES FOR YOURSELVES AND STOP LISTENING TO THESE DOCTRINES OF DEMONS….

who will be in trouble on judgment day….the man that says fear god and dont rek yourself because there will be hell to pay ( people begin to fear god and dont kill themsleves and endure till the end )……or the man who say " its a sin but if we are in christ we are forgiven past present and future ( people begin to commit suicide and drag others along with them )…..tell me…who will get the lake of fire….

There are many scriptures that codemn suicide but yall need to look in the word of god for yourself and stop being lazy and a casual christian who only opens the book on sunday

im so sick of these lies…..so many going to hell but they refuse to listen….but god did say in the last days many will not endire sound doctrine ?……Dont commit suicide….unless you want to get submerged in magma inhailing and exhailing it for eternity…..that life of torment is far worse than what you are going through now….

1st john 3:15 and whosoever hateth hos brother is a murderer, and we know that know murderer hath ETERNAL LIFE abiding in him….

trevorjax ngwabe - posted on September 9, 2019 6:22 am

i sometimes think that giving my life to christ was a worse decision i'v ever took

Final Evangelist - posted on September 12, 2019 2:28 am

Judas hung himself by suicide, even though he was one of the chosen 12 Apostles. De he received salvation? Probably not. This once saved always saved false teaching is causing all these suicides. But the Bible clearly teaches that He who endures till the end will be saved. Don’t risk your eternal fate because you did a sinners prayer at a Harvest Crusade 10 years ago. Seek the infilling power of the Holy Spirit to break those literal demons of suicide. Cast them out in Jesus name.

Billy Escobar - posted on September 12, 2019 9:15 am

Bad analogy presented here. Can a person serve two masters? One of Christ through the holy spirit and the depression caused by the demonic. Who rejoices in a suicide? Satan or God?

Sarah de Kroon - posted on September 12, 2019 9:49 am

The key Mr Piper is the example you gave of the angry man his intent was not to kill himself. Yet a person who is committing suicide is "intent on killing". God looks on the intents of the heart. Also, no human on earth can give us a ticket to heaven, regardless what he/she says God's word is the ultimate final say. There is nowhere in the bible that gives a hint that a person who murders himself is going to heaven. For that reason it is foolish to hang ones hope on heaven after one has killed himself.

Billy Escobar - posted on September 13, 2019 3:04 am

We can know what Jesus says to the faithful. “Well done, good and faithful servant,” from Jesus. If a person can murder themselves as a last act and be considered faithful then what do you say to the people who did resist the temptation to commit the act. I think not enough preaching about the Cost of Discipleship is making people very confused about becoming a disciple/follower of Jesus.
Luke 14:25-33

25 Now great crowds accompanied him, and he turned and said to them, 26 “If anyone comes to me and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be my disciple. 27 Whoever does not bear his own cross and come after me cannot be my disciple. 28 For which of you, desiring to build a tower, does not first sit down and count the cost, whether he has enough to complete it? 29 Otherwise, when he has laid a foundation and is not able to finish, all who see it begin to mock him, 30 saying, ‘This man began to build and was not able to finish.’ 31 Or what king, going out to encounter another king in war, will not sit down first and deliberate whether he is able with ten thousand to meet him who comes against him with twenty thousand? 32 And if not, while the other is yet a great way off, he sends a delegation and asks for terms of peace. 33 So therefore, any one of you who does not renounce all that he has cannot be my disciple.

HumbleHeartMinistry - posted on September 13, 2019 4:54 am

Don`t be deceived by any mans teachings! Let God be true, and every man a liar! We are the Temple of God! (1:Cor 3:16) Killing yourself is 100% opposite of faith. Its a selfish act of unbelief, and saying to God that he is not able to deliver you! This is a satanic deception that is increasing more and more as the day draws near! If your following MEN and being fed by MAN, and not wholeheartedly seeking in His word, and on your knee`s, and allowing Gods Spirit to teach you, You Will be deceived, and follow the blind guides right over the cliff! Judus had a great testimony. He was one of the 12. He was given power to heal the sick, to cast out devils. And none of the other 11, had one clue he was the one who would betray Jesus! Afterwards, he killed himself, and Jesus said that it would have been better if he had never been born! Its easy to act like your in Christ, while inside you are not obeying him! How many go home after lifting their hands and worshiping God on Sunday, and spend the rest of the day watching movies and things like that that, That Gods word says are an abomination to God! Deceiving your own selves! We all want to comfort those who have had someone kill themselves, But the truth is not our to twist into what we want it to be. Its is Gods, and we are to fear! He who overcomes! Not he who falls, will enter Gods kingdom. Sorry if that offends some, but do we candy coat God truth, because we don`t want to walk in it? In Christ`s Love!
1 Cor.3:17 King James Bible
If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.
New American Standard Bible
If any man destroys the temple of God, God will destroy him, for the temple of God is holy, and that is what you are.
English Standard Version
If anyone destroys God’s temple, God will destroy him. For God’s temple is holy, and you are that temple.

HumbleHeartMinistry - posted on September 13, 2019 4:54 am

Don`t be deceived by any mans teachings! Let God be true, and every man a liar! We are the Temple of God! (1:Cor 3:16) Killing yourself is 100% opposite of faith. Its a selfish act of unbelief, and saying to God that he is not able to deliver you! This is a satanic deception that is increasing more and more as the day draws near! If your following MEN and being fed by MAN, and not wholeheartedly seeking in His word, and on your knee`s, and allowing Gods Spirit to teach you, You Will be deceived, and follow the blind guides right over the cliff! Judus had a great testimony. He was one of the 12. He was given power to heal the sick, to cast out devils. And none of the other 11, had one clue he was the one who would betray Jesus! Afterwards, he killed himself, and Jesus said that it would have been better if he had never been born! Its easy to act like your in Christ, while inside you are not obeying him! How many go home after lifting their hands and worshiping God on Sunday, and spend the rest of the day watching movies and things like that that, That Gods word says are an abomination to God! Deceiving your own selves! We all want to comfort those who have had someone kill themselves, But the truth is not our to twist into what we want it to be. Its is Gods, and we are to fear! He who overcomes! Not he who falls, will enter Gods kingdom. Sorry if that offends some, but do we candy coat God truth, because we don`t want to walk in it? In Christ`s Love!
1 Cor.3:17 King James Bible
If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.
New American Standard Bible
If any man destroys the temple of God, God will destroy him, for the temple of God is holy, and that is what you are.
English Standard Version
If anyone destroys God’s temple, God will destroy him. For God’s temple is holy, and you are that temple.

HumbleHeartMinistry - posted on September 13, 2019 4:54 am

Don`t be deceived by any mans teachings! Let God be true, and every man a liar! We are the Temple of God! (1:Cor 3:16) Killing yourself is 100% opposite of faith. Its a selfish act of unbelief, and saying to God that he is not able to deliver you! This is a satanic deception that is increasing more and more as the day draws near! If your following MEN and being fed by MAN, and not wholeheartedly seeking in His word, and on your knee`s, and allowing Gods Spirit to teach you, You Will be deceived, and follow the blind guides right over the cliff! Judus had a great testimony. He was one of the 12. He was given power to heal the sick, to cast out devils. And none of the other 11, had one clue he was the one who would betray Jesus! Afterwards, he killed himself, and Jesus said that it would have been better if he had never been born! Its easy to act like your in Christ, while inside you are not obeying him! How many go home after lifting their hands and worshiping God on Sunday, and spend the rest of the day watching movies and things like that that, That Gods word says are an abomination to God! Deceiving your own selves! We all want to comfort those who have had someone kill themselves, But the truth is not our to twist into what we want it to be. Its is Gods, and we are to fear! He who overcomes! Not he who falls, will enter Gods kingdom. Sorry if that offends some, but do we candy coat God truth, because we don`t want to walk in it? In Christ`s Love!
1 Cor.3:17 King James Bible
If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.
New American Standard Bible
If any man destroys the temple of God, God will destroy him, for the temple of God is holy, and that is what you are.
English Standard Version
If anyone destroys God’s temple, God will destroy him. For God’s temple is holy, and you are that temple.

Joy Lee - posted on September 15, 2019 10:37 pm

Many pastors have religious spirit w/ pride. They should admit their weaknesses and ask for prayer and help when they are spiritually low. They are bound by theology. Theology is man made and it won't help your relationship w/ God. What the pastors need is an intimate fellowship w/ Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ is the perfect theology and out of Him flows love, life, wisdom and power. If you don't have a right standing w/ God, how can you lead others to Christ? Judas killed himself and went to hell.

You don't want to be a hypocrite.
Apostle Paul even said, 1 Corinthians 9:27 I discipline my body and keep it under control, lest after preaching to others I myself should be disqualified.

Genesis & Revelation 22:13 JESUS CHRIST - posted on September 16, 2019 12:31 am

Yes there is another way in JESUS MIGHTY NAME AMEN???

Sarah de Kroon - posted on September 17, 2019 10:25 am

1 Corinthians 6:16 "Do you not know that you are God's temple and that God's Spirit dwells in you? 17 If anyone destroys God's temple, God will destroy him. For God's temple is holy, and you are that temple." Please don't listen to people what they are saying is not what the bible tells us. Regardless of what we would like to think we must go to the One who is the Chief of all living things and hear what He says. He will destroy ANYONE who destroys God's temple, of which we all are. God is no respector of persons the bible says, and that means ANYONE who destroys a human God will destroy him.

Kevin Sullivan - posted on September 17, 2019 1:34 pm

For we do not want you to be unaware, brethren, of our affliction which came to us in Asia, that we were burdened excessively, beyond our strength, so that we despaired even of life; indeed, we had the sentence of death within ourselves so that we would not trust in ourselves, but in God who raises the dead; who delivered us from so great a peril of death, and will deliver us, He on whom we have set our hope. And He will yet deliver us,

2 Corinthians 1:8‭-‬10 Paul himself had suicidal thoughts and he is definitely in heaven and penned 13 books of the new testament.All sin is missing the mark and can only be washed away by Christ and His Death Burrial And Resurrection.

Vivian Ramage - posted on September 19, 2019 5:28 pm

Good answer Pastor! There's a serious stigma about mental illness and people who are "sick' shouldn't be told they will burn in hell as I have been told. I don't believe God will punish me for having a mental illness. I'm not talking about anger and you do things. Mental illness.

J. R. Moore - posted on September 20, 2019 11:49 am

Ayyy I was the 777th like!

APOSTLE MARC ASKEW - posted on September 20, 2019 6:51 pm

The Lord gave, and the Lord hath taken away.

APOSTLE MARC ASKEW - posted on September 20, 2019 6:57 pm

If you know anyone that's contemplating suicide ask that person can I pray for you

APOSTLE MARC ASKEW - posted on September 20, 2019 6:58 pm

Heaven will not be your home if you do commit suicide

APOSTLE MARC ASKEW - posted on September 20, 2019 7:01 pm

Death in lfe are in the power of the tongue

RM K - posted on September 23, 2019 7:15 pm

Suicide: from frying pan to fire (from earthly temporary short sufferings, to eternal hell).

Life is gift, not to be rejected. Only one life. Live. Help available.

Nothing disqualifies anyone from the love of God.

Finding God helps find meaning, purpose, hope, acceptance, love, eternity, human value, human dignity, equality, God-given talents, family values, health, rest, peace, joy, compassion. Finding God prevents suicides.

Sin is pre-existing in all. Sin pre-dates The Bible. The Bible explains origins of sin. The Bible provides remedy for pre-existing sin, through Jesus Christ death and resurrection. The Bible is best selling book in the world for this reason.

In The Bible we know Who made the world, who marred it, who ransacked it, and Who restored it.

God created universe, natural laws, made man, gave talents, instructed man to explore and multiply. We are made good with good purpose. We are good. Then sin entered and we fallen. Disease, despair, death, rebellious nature entered. Sin plays spoilsport.

Satan is the enemy, came to steal, kill and destroy. Misleads us to blame good loving God. God is not the author of evil.

Sin is the opium.

Media, Police, Defense, Judiciary, Penitentiary, Security, Contracts, confirm sin exists.

Jesus Christ came from heaven (first Christmas), died on The Cross (first Good Friday), and resurrected (on The Third Day, also linked to Easter). To save us from pre-existing sin, and hell. For free.

Penalty of sin already paid by Jesus Christ on The Cross.

We are saved by God's Grace, not by our works.

Religion says "Do". Jesus Christ says "Done".

Heaven is holy, sin cannot enter. Jesus Christ made entry to heaven easy and free. No more pain, no more deformities, no more deficiencies, no more death.

Hell is where sin is quarantined.

Unable to find any motive for Jesus Christ to die on The Cross and resurrect – except His love to save us from pre-existing sin, and hell. For free.

Jesus Christ suffered, ridiculed, spat-on, humiliated, crucified on The Cross, understands our pain. He raised victorious, we will too. Hang-on, never give up.

The race is not always won by the swiftest, the battle is not always won by the strongest.

It is a lie to say that we are not loved. God loves us unconditionally. He died willingly on The Cross and resurrected, to save us from pre-existing sin and hell.

The God who died for us, is for us. Not against us.

Jesus Christ forgave who crucified Him, and today forgives all even who ridicule Him. Has authority to forgive sins.

Following God's morals have health, psychological and economic benefits, to individuals, families and nations. Provide equilibrium. Following rules helps.

Believe, repent of sins in Jesus Christ and be saved. Nothing to lose, everything to gain.

There is more to life.

Could not find origins of life, natural laws, sin, morals, purpose, meaning, music, creativity, intelligence, anywhere else.

Never found a sentence that is comforting on a death-bed, anywhere else.

(My journey to life. After testing every 'ism', after swallowing pride and egos.)

Ruslan Vorobyev - posted on September 24, 2019 12:33 am

Willful (not accidental) suicide is unforgivable. This is how: when someone decides to end their own life, it dictates their final stand towards faith. The cause of Suicide is a loss of hope. Hope is directly related to Faith. As it Is written – “Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭11:1‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“For we are ??saved by hope??: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭8:24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“For by grace are ye saved
??through faith??; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭2:8‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Who are kept by the power of God
??through faith unto salvation?? ready to be revealed in the last time.”
‭‭1 Peter‬ ‭1:5‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“But ??without faith it is impossible?? to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭11:6‬ ‭KJV‬‬

No Faith = No salvation

Brave Soul - posted on September 24, 2019 12:26 pm

This made me think about the well-known pastor Jarrid Wilson who took his own life days ago.

Sam Salonga - posted on September 26, 2019 10:11 am

God made us.god designed us and gave us the mental capacity in every aspect.if i will commit suicide because i can no longer bear the problems i am dealing with will i go to hell?god made me this way.i never wanted to be like this,weak and a sinner.for 2 months now i am on a state of severe depression and suicide is the only thing i see right now.

Sam Salonga - posted on September 26, 2019 10:14 am

What about the patients who ignored to be cured because of an incurable decease,is it a suicide?will they go to hell because they dont wanted to be treated anymore?what about in australia were a person who is terminally ill and was given a shot to just end his life,is it a suicide?

John Stewart - posted on September 30, 2019 2:33 am

IT IS THE SAME AS HATING YOUR BROTHER… NO BIG DEAL… PLUS… USE THE KING JAMES VERSION ONLY… BE A REAL FIVE POINT CALVINIST… OR COME TO HONOLULU TO BE TAUGHT BY THE FREELANCE PUBLIC FULL-TIME GRACE EVANGELIST !!

Bobby A - posted on September 30, 2019 4:23 pm

Bad analogy by mr. Piper. Accident vs suicide are two completely different events. Suicide is not much diffrent from choosing to be gay or lbgtq. Its a decision, not a mental illness. Their are reasons for suicidal thoughts such as retaliation or revenge to inflict pain and suffering on another person, guilt or sinful act that they cannot overcome and cause frustration, a belief that their current life is not worth living and by killing themselves they can start over with a new life or be reborn. Its a decision not an illness.

Sandra Simoneau - posted on October 4, 2019 3:12 am

You have to be aware that when you are drunk, bravery takes over. No one is fearful of death when they are drunk. I would never hold a serrated knife to my carotid artery if I was sober. Watch out for depression and alcohol. Please believe me. From experience

r4ng3rownz8 - posted on October 4, 2019 5:39 pm

I am sorry for anyone who has committed suicide or person who has a family member or friend who has committed suicide. I am truly sorry. What I'm about to say is not easy, for I do not want to make any person feel worse then what they already feel like, but there are people who are contemplating suicide right now and my only purpose for saying anything would be to hopefully stop another person from committing suicide. I too was going to commit suicide years ago, I thought about it for weeks, I was very depressed and suicide just consumed my thoughts continuously. The day finally came that I was going to do it, and just as I was going to take my life I heard God speak to me in an audible voice from the direction of my ceiling, it could have been an angel or Jesus but at the time I thought it was God, and he said "if you do that you will go straight to HELL," I looked up at my ceiling, and said "if that was you God then you can have my life, because I don't know what to do with myself." And right then and there I knew I could never kill myself and I resolved within myself that I was going to live with the depression rather than go to hell for eternity. Three days later it was Sunday and due to some unusual circumstances I ended up in a church where I gave my life to Jesus Christ and I was immediately delivered from depression. That was 39 years ago. I have never thought of suicide again. We are not our own we can't take our life, it is murder, it is no different than if a person takes someone else's life, we belong to God he created us. I have never heard the audible voice of God or Jesus ever again it was just that one time. If God had not of spoken to me that day I would be in Hell right now for eternity. But God with his mercy for some reason unknown to me spared me.

In one instant God can change your life too, If you are not a Christian just call on Jesus and tell him you want to give your life to him, just say Jesus come into my heart, I know you are the Son of God and God raised you from the dead. Forgive me for my sins. Look for a church where they believe Jesus is the Son of God. Get a King James Version Bible, it is one of the closest translations from the original in the Greek.

2 Corinthians 5:17 - posted on October 4, 2019 11:42 pm

Praise Jesus my Lord that ALL my sins are covered by His grace and mercy. PERIOD. Glory to God.

Gloria Jones - posted on October 6, 2019 11:58 pm

You are taking a real chance in doing this on purpose. If you are a christan and struggling in this area, get professional help. See a doctor with reading and prayer. You dont know for sure if you will end up in heaven or hell. We cant know for sure! So dont be God in your life . The devil will use this to cause more and more Christians to used this. Opinion can cause us our soul. Please . If the word of God is not helping you. Go to a doctor. They can help with medication. I will put this in my prayers for the body of christ and all to be healed in soul and Spirit . God bless you. I love you.


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