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The Trinity in the Old Testament

The Trinity in the Old Testament

To assistance sustain this ministry visit this site: Many doubters claim there is no reference of a multi-peronsal God in the OldTestament However, this video clip competes that suggestion and also provides proof that there is. What is the Trinity? TheTrinity in the New Testament:. odE. RefutingObjections to the Trinity:. LogicalExplanation of the Trinity:. DrMichael Brown: Trinity in Old Testament:. Debate on Trinity in Old Testament:. BibleContradictions shot down:. d43 cost-6083-11 e1-8f5d-24359 c72639 b. More proof for the Trinity in the Old Testament:. YHWH:. Introduction and also Deuteronomy 6:4. TheAngel of YHWH. TheAngel of YHWH as Distinct from YHWHGod Interaction with theAngel SeeingGod’sFace EstablishingPast Existence:. TheSpirit of YHWH. AncientJewish Recognition of TrinitarianFacts Addendum 1 & 2. html. Addendum 3. html. *If you are captured exceedingly commenting, being ill-mannered, disparaging, or thwarting after that your remarks will certainly be eliminated. If you do not like it you can view this video clip:. “CopyrightDisclaimer Under Section 107 of the Copyright Act 1976, allocation is produced “reasonable usage” for objectives such as objection, remark, information coverage, mentor, scholarship, and also research study. Fair usage is an usage allowed by copyright law that could or else be infringing. Non- earnings, instructional or individual usage pointers the equilibrium for reasonable usage.”.
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Karen Otte - posted on September 17, 2019 3:33 am

Praise God praise God in his glory

Nikki Arthur - posted on September 20, 2019 2:12 am

Fastinating evidence. But I'm still not convinced of a co-equal, co-eternal, co-knowledgeable Trinity god.

There is another possibility not addressed here.

Just as a man, a woman, and a child can all be Man ( mankind), yet not the same person, likewise a god, an angel, a spirit can all be God ( godkind) but not the same Being.

The Bible says in Genesis, "…the spirit of God hovered over the face of the deep…" Couldn't we also accurately say, when NASA had Voyager orbiting over Mars: "…the spirit of Man was over the face of Mars…."?

Here we have humans operating an instrument and observing from afar, yet, right there at the location IN SPIRIT.

When the Holy Spirit came upon Mary so that she was impregnated with the Christ, no one believes it to be a copulation. Just as fertility doctors can now impregnate a virgin by means of an egg in a petri dish with sperm being combined, and the resulting zygot being introduced to a womb surgically, likewise the Holy Spirit could have done the same, or even accomplished a gene slicing or modified cloning. All of the possibilities with three entities, all considered " God", yet not a co-equal Trinity.

Nexus - posted on September 20, 2019 8:44 am

Music is totally distracting…can’t watch it, sorry ?

Blessed.2.Teach.4.God - posted on September 23, 2019 4:30 am

"One" in that verse means operates as one, binded as one, not literally one… Similar to the verse that refers to husband & wife becoming one flesh… Obviously not literally, just conceptually… In one accord.

Not to mention the various other verses (old & new testament) that refer to 3 in 1 God/Godhead.

Joe Rivera - posted on September 24, 2019 1:55 pm

How is it Gentiles understand Torah better than the Jew ? Seems to me trinitarians are looking at clouds and seeing faces.

riveratrackrunner - posted on September 25, 2019 2:44 am

Polythestic to monotheistic to trifecta.. Number of gods gotten alot smaller.

Alex S - posted on September 26, 2019 7:55 am

That is a great deal of eisegesis in one video.

g s - posted on September 27, 2019 10:25 pm

There is no worship.

timthepainter1 - posted on September 29, 2019 4:02 am

Wrong Trinity is a post biblical neo platonic dogma developed over 2-3 centuries starting with Philo this is an historical fact and your denial of this will never,ever, ever make the dogma true

homedefenselawrence - posted on September 30, 2019 8:10 am

I am very glad upon years of studying bible and religious group interpretations about this matter about God and Angel of YHWH – we have both or same understanding about their personalities. Jesus is messenger of his Father (the invisible God) Jesus is before Abhraham, indeed.

YHWH personality is composed of the invisible Father as one, the Malak(messenger) of God who appeared to Moises, who is the Word or Jesus in new testament, the I am who I am as the second and Holy Spirit is the third personality of YHWH.

Eluhinu Singular but plural whenever the suffix "hinu" is used.

"let's create" implying God is not talking to Himself but WITH the others.

…and the Word was with God (the Father)

Mark Gupton - posted on September 30, 2019 8:13 pm

Amazes me how Protestants try to distant themselves from Catholicism but propagate heretical teachings of Catholicism like the Trinity. I'm not Unitarian or member of any denomination. By the way I would avoid any advice from the heretic Mickael Brown.

Jim - posted on September 30, 2019 9:38 pm

Bravo! Excellent video

Eureka Adang - posted on October 1, 2019 3:08 am

My God is great ! Amen !

Carolina Díaz Rivera - posted on October 1, 2019 11:32 pm

Hello IP, which version of the bible are you showing in this video? I´d like to have one… blessings!

ben gurion - posted on October 2, 2019 12:14 am

Echad does mean singular. Additionally, the second word in the entire bible proves the Trinity is a lie. The word is," bars" which means created. In Hebrew this third Gordon SINGULAR not plural. This video is full of lies.

REX MUNDI - posted on October 2, 2019 12:50 pm


J Chr G - posted on October 2, 2019 1:21 pm

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Waarom kun de Heilige geest mensen in de war brengen?

Mark .Rahe43920 - posted on October 2, 2019 2:41 pm

?The trinity is the lie of satan? perpetrated by the catholic church and has deceived the whole world. There is no one else with Jesus. He is God alone and is a Person who is the invisible Spirit God. He is Lord of Lords and King of Kings!

The trinity denies the deity of Jesus Christ. It makes him a lesser power than the trinity father making Jesus subordinate to him. The lie of the trinity is to demote Jesus from being Lord of lords and King of Kings!

Trinitarian you have a false jesus! The trinitarian jesus is not Lord of lords and King of Kings! Trinitarian cast out those other two false spirit gods named father and holy spirit for Jesus is the Father who is the Holy Spirit! Jesus is a Spirit who took on flesh. Jesus is the Father who is the invisible Holy Spirit God!

7 “If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.

8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us.

9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?

10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.” -John 14:7-10

“the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.” Jesus who is that invisible Spirit Father took on a man-suit called His Son, and in that Son/man-suit He was in His fullness, great is the mystery of godliness!

"For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily." -Colossians 2:9

"Jesus cried and said, He that believeth on me, believeth not on me, but on him that sent me.

And he that seeth me seeth him that sent me." -John 12:44-45

Jesus said that He was the Holy Spirit who is the Father that we have received! The name of the Spirit that you have received for believing upon the name of Jesus the Christ, is Jesus!

"I will not leave you comfortless: ?I will come to you"?. -John 14:18 ?"I and my Father are one"?. -John 10:30

"To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is ?Christ in you?, the hope of glory:" -Colossians 1:27

"But to us there is but one God, the Father, of ?whom are all things?, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by ?whom are all things?, and we by him." -1 Corinthians 8:6

God is the Father and the Son by His single Spirit! He was in heaven and on earth at the same time!

"Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father." -1 John 2:24

"I am the Lord, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:

That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the Lord, and there is none else.

I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.

Drop down, ye heavens, from above, and let the skies pour down righteousness: let the earth open, and let them bring forth salvation, and let righteousness spring up together; I the Lord have created it."? -Isaiah 45:5-8

"I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.?

John 8:24

cujoe Mblakka - posted on October 3, 2019 12:38 pm

" Hear O ISRAEL, your Lord God is one Lord ".

Vidal Guadalupe - posted on October 3, 2019 2:40 pm

The biggest issue with trinitarianism is that you can put the main focus on Jesus alone and as someone that believes in the trinity which means three that they're the same why do you give no credit equally to the father I all I care about is Jesus. And this could be a very big deception if you think about it the first commandment is to worship no other gods if you totally ignore the father which is God and you only put Jesus on a pedestal and don't worship the father at all then you are a doing the first commandment

George Locke - posted on October 3, 2019 8:09 pm

For those who say the trinity doesn't make sense or is polytheistic please see this explanation. You can understand the trinity simply with this: You as a person are a physical body, an emotional being and a will. When you exercise, your body may be tired and your emotions my be sad or too shy to go to the gym, but your will makes you exercise. Now, your body is 100% you, your emotions are 100% you and your will is 100% you (1X1X1=1). You are three in one. Your body can submit to your will or it can be lazy. Your emotions can submit to your will despite who you feel. In the same way, Jesus was a physical body that had to subject itself to the Father's will and his emotional state had to subject itself to the Father's will. He cried over Lazarus but waited to let him die instead of healing him because, despite his emotions, he followed the Father's will. We live the Tri-une lifestyle every day.

Salnsd - posted on October 3, 2019 11:37 pm

You liberals are so dense,  the Trinity is easily explained ,  God is the father of Jesus but Jesus is also god, and he is also the  Holy Spirit but the Holy Spirit is also  the Father and therefore the Father is Jesus and the Spirit but they are not the same  and therefore Jesus is the Spirit but not the father who is Jesus and  not the spirit but they are all one while not being the same and Jesus is  god in the flesh but  not the spirit who is god but not Jesus who is god ,   See how easy that was .   Liberals are so stupid sometimes

juan sebastian Diaz - posted on October 4, 2019 1:25 am

yet for us there is one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we for Him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, through whom are all things, and through whom we live.

1 Corinthians 8:6 KJV

This is God's word.

CarmineFragione - posted on October 4, 2019 4:02 am

The mysticism of the Trinity circumspect the legal authority of a Priest, to combine forces of a direct communion with God in Heaven through a Man of God on Earth, who speaks various parts of persons of God, being the Priest himself, then being the Voice of God or having the title "THE WORD OF GOD" equivocating the physical specimen of a human body or medium in direct use by God of Heaven , through the connecting power of the Holy Spirit, to cause the Priest to be standing in God's Place on Earth , and carrying the legal weight of authority and power to be God on Earth. Then the Priest alternatively has the authority to give his own voice, give the Voice of God, and also place a voice to the Offering, such as the Lamb of God, to give a voice to the innocent Lamb of God, who must explain to the People why the Lamb had to be slain and eaten , that the people might survive , escape the divine wrath of Judgments upon the Earth ,and have their own sins covered by the blood, to ward off the Angel of Death, when the Wrath covers over the land, and Passes over the people, who are trying to escape the wrath , and find Salvation. So the PRIEST is a DIVINE FIGURE , being in nature a human being, but divining persons of God, and Himself, and the Offering, as well as giving a Voice to the People.
The traveling troop of actors in a Guild , like a Shakespearean Guild, the actors train to act out orally the messaging of a play that teaches a moral , to entertain the People, with a sense of REALISM that surpasses the mundane limits of scientific facts, to cover a larger aspect of reality , the Actors, transcend their material being to cover over their natural limited identities, to transfigure them to be all sorts of Persons, by means of wearing masks, costumes and acting with unique voices, showing a DIVINE TALENT which only another human can appreciate, as a means of bringing the unseen truth to light by acting upon a stage, a performance that for humanity can change the course of history with greater power than any particular scientific fact. This sort of Mysticism , and as a Shamanistic Way of conveying a greater truth than what is common, the PRIEST, can cover the Titles of being the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, whose original substance of matter, cannot directly be observed by any human being .
When Jesus took up the mantle of an Oral Teacher and Priest, based on Moses' Law, he became challenged by DIVINITY to be either Himself, Jesus, or evoke out of his own mouth the VOICE OF GOD, and thus be God by a Divine Playwright legally given to a Priest, and also , Jesus acted out the Passion of the Lamb of God sacrificed for the Lord's Passover, and also Jesus played out the passion of all the People who were covered under a cloud of this same mysticism , to make them all one, and ONE among them could then speak for all. 3=1

Biblia En Contexto - posted on October 4, 2019 8:05 am

Do you have the outline in pdf or script somewhere? That was awesome

Mister Privacy - posted on October 4, 2019 10:52 pm

Sheppard of Hemas really spells this out and needs to be mentioned always. Its apart of the uncannonized works and im having trouble with it all because it fits everywhere in the bible. A lot of those uncannonized works give huge insights

k. phil - posted on October 4, 2019 11:00 pm

christian trinity was created by catholics. If u mention or suggest multiple gods in monotheist system then u have polytheist belief. If it is in bible to suggest god is mutiple parts then christianity/judaism/islam are all polytheist beliefs

jesu kristi - posted on October 5, 2019 1:11 am

The angel of the Lord called matetron tell moses to take off his sandals first then jesus christ spoke next who is yahweh spoke to moses that his name is eyer Esher Eyeh. So the angel of the Lord is not God the self existent one. Jesus is the self existent one and he is not the angel of the LORD

andalusianguitarist - posted on October 5, 2019 2:51 am

The Old Testament reveals the original duality in which one of the Elohim is not seen and the other Elohim reveals himself as the Angel of the Lord. No where is there a revelation of 3 in the Old Testament and the New Testament echoes the duality of the Old Testament in the form of the John 1:1 as well as the throne of God and the Lamb in Revelation 22:1 the original Two not 3. If there were 3 in the beginning then John 1:1 would have mentioned it. If the Holy Spirit were to be worshiped he would show up on a third throne.

Jonathan Grandt - posted on October 5, 2019 1:38 pm

Technically we don’t claim trinity was made up by early Christians but we claim trinity was made up by people who weren’t Christian.

Pfft Lmao - posted on October 5, 2019 11:16 pm

He is playing with the words. One god = one god no trinity dude. Stop trying to fit the trinity with the word ONE. The word WAS ONE means something that is a singular. In the context of “ One god”. One god is one god not three.
1+1+1= 1?
1+1+1= 3.
One god = 1 god.
Holy crap people are trying their best to fit trinity in a verse that clearly says “ ONE GOD”

Toby English - posted on October 6, 2019 12:18 am

No disrespect to Christians, I think everyone should be able to follow their beliefs with respect. But I have to make a few comments vis a vis errors in Hebrew in this video and other logical errors. I'm Jewish, I have a very good understanding of Hebrew. I can read Biblical Hebrew, Aramaic, I can even read Paleo Hebrew in the ancient script. I can speak different dialects of Hebrew that have existed in the past.

This video is full of errors in regards to Hebrew, it will be obvious to any Hebrew speaker, even a child.
For example:
1 – The video quotes the Shema at 3:08 and the word "Eloheinu" (he incorrectly writes "Eleinu" by the way). This does not mean God is a plurality, it means Israel is a plurality, he has got this all mixed up i.e. "Hear Israel. YHWH is Our God. YHWH is One" – the "Inu" is not indicative of a plurality in God. It does not, it means "OUR God" – I really am not sure what he is talking about. He makes the same error at 3:15, these words mean "OUR", not indicative at all that the subject has to be plural – it indicates WE are plural. For example the Hebrew word for "Our House" which is the same in modern Hebrew is "Beiteinu". Also the word for "Our Mother" is "Imeinu". It is true that if one wanted to say "Our Gods", one would also say "Eloheinu"! However is it not glaringly clear from reading the OT that only One God was indicated by the writer!
2 – 1:56 "Echad" means ONE. Dr Brown is being very misleading here. the Shema states "Hear Israel. YHWH is our God. YHWH is ONE". It is very clear here that the intention is singularity. The same is in the first of the Ten Commandments – "You shall have no other Gods before me". Let's apply Occum's Razor here, what is the most simplest explanation, that the author intended some very confusing multiplicity that no one can seem to understand (and is indicated no where in the OT), a doctrine that none of the patriarchs or Hebrew Prophets were aware of. Or that the "Trinity" doesn't exist in the OT, because it was invented by the early Christian movement that went back and is trying to make the OT appear Christological?
3 – 6:46 The Angel just means an Angel! Isn't that simpler. Otherwise why not say, not a trinity, but a quadrinity? The Father, Son, Holy Spirit and Angel of the Lord? This just doesn't make sense? There are many angels in the OT
4 – 7:06 all that proves is that the angel was there in the incident of the burning bush, it doesn't follow that the Angel WAS God.

marie badua - posted on October 6, 2019 1:42 am

Where is the word trinity in the bible.?

CDP88 - posted on October 6, 2019 4:35 pm

God is one… chill with the force. It’s not that complicated

Juan Cueva - posted on October 6, 2019 5:38 pm

I for one would love a 2 hours long Video brother, God bless you

thunder storm - posted on October 6, 2019 6:47 pm

That's why I'm out of the church system to seek the truth for myself good stuff

bobby sierra - posted on October 7, 2019 3:56 am

Many people wil look and judge me with their eyes…i am who i am because i am….i he and am becoming..yet im hidden…but i am still understanding

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