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What is the Spider-Man objection to the Gospels? In this video, I respond to why the person of Jesus is a historical fact, not fiction.

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  1. Is this…. for real? "Back than they didn't wrote of fictional characters in real settings! I've never heard, for example, of hundreds of gods on Mt. Olympus. But more important, the book is right because it's wrote in the book that it's right! Perfect proof with no questions". Sounds stupid isn't it.
    This is what religion do to your brains kids: it makes you say stupid things with smug arrogance.

  2. This objection isn’t how you present it. It’s more used to illustrate how the fact that they’re located in real places does not mean the stories told are reliable. Many apologists like to point out where the bible makes reference to a real location or figure, the Spider-Man response illustrates that this isn’t a criteria which can distinguish between writings which describe real events with one’s which do not.

    And do the gospel writers tell us that they’re reporting what they saw or investigated? I’ll give you heard but the other two are not clear cut. We don’t have any good reason to think any of the gospels depict eyewitness testimony and good reason to doubt this and we don’t have any good reason to think any writer did rigorous investigation into these claims. At most Luke says he talked with some people (he doesn’t say he investigated carefully), but who did he talk to and what did they say? Did Luke follow up or get anything to corroborate these claims? We cannot know as it is never said. So to say they wrote what they saw is unjustified and saying they wrote what they investigated is wishful thinking.

    Regardless even if we had people claiming they had rigorously investigated these claims and then wrote down making references to real places and people, this still doesn’t distinguish between fiction or legend. They may have simply been genuinely convinced of a false narrative. How can we tell the difference?

  4. Allow me to introduce to you the Epic Of Gilgamesh (~3000 BCE) and The Iliad and the Odyssey (~725 to 675 BCE). All of which were fictional accounts that were written well before any book of the bible was made. Sorry, but your strawman tactic does not work here.

  9. I don't think that is a fair representation of a so-called "Spider-man objection", or "Harry Potter objection".
    In fact it works more or less the other way around; when a believer claims that the verifiable archaeological, historical, and geographical facts are evidence for the supernatural events that are also described in the Bible, then a non-believer might retort that Spider-man and Harry Potter also use real places and sometimes real people, but that this doesn't mean that therefore web shooters, and levitation spells should be considered true.
    Dr. McDowell even seems to make the every same argument at the end of the clip, when he says that these historical details are "one piece of a larger case for the reliability in the New Testament and the gospels," which is something that can effectively be nixed by simply pointing out that this apparently is not necessarily true, because of , you know, Spider-man…

  11. No careful fictional writing in the 1st century? Then I guess that the Odessey and Iliad are real books and all the characters in them? How about the Tales of Gilgamesh? You people REALLY fail at this stuff.

  12. If all of the events of the New testament were a lie the Jewish scribes could have written volumes stating as such. So where are they. Why didn't the scribes come out and declare that the whole life of Jesus was a lie?

  14. Egyptian gods were written down and they were said to live on earth and in the sky, which are real places. So the kind of fictional writing you say didn't exist in the first century actually was being used.
    So if someone tells you they're telling the truth…then it's true??? This sounds a little circular…like when Christians say God is real because the bible tells them so.
    You can ponder and argue these points, but you still have no god to show for it.

  17. This is how you get people to believe your fiction, and is especially useful when your story is ridiculously fantastical. Question: What literary works outside of the bible did the authors of the bible produce? Was it one-and-done for them? I mean, that's a lot of commitment to learning to read and write multiple languages when it's likely no one in their family or social sphere had any education of any kind. And who was around to teach such skills to professional fisherman who likely started working 12 to 15-hour days by the time they were ten or twelve years-old? And nothing else written by these important scribes was preserved? This is when lack of evidence where some might be expected can be considered at least minimal evidence.

  18. So Sean agrees Christians should stop saying things like "real details in the Bible make the supernatural elements more believable"? Oh wait nope, he said that exact thing in this video. Real details don't make supernatural elements any more true, that's silly and that's why people bring up the spider-man analogy in the first place. It's a good analogy because it shows Christians have a lower standard for Jesus than for Spider-man.

  20. There were no fictional writers of the first century?

    What about all the other gods before Christianity people wrote about?

    The real truth is human beings have always inspired there to be a super human fictional character since communication has existed. Sorry but your very first point is false.

  21. We don't know who wrote the Gospels. The names given to them are a matter of church tradition and we have no proof of who actually wrote them. They were also written way after the events with the earliest being Mark about 30 years after Jesus' supposed crucifixion. Also there is no archeological evidence for Jesus.

  23. No, the Gospels were written by people who were NOT present during Jesus' passion, nor were they even written by the deciples. Also, they constantly contradict one another. Historical fiction has also been around for millenia. You get a 0% my guy.

  25. unfortuantely, for Sean, his bible is indeed no more true than a spider-man comic.

    There is nothing that shows that the nonsense the anonymous writers wrote to be true. The archaeological record does not show that Sean's nonsense is true. Not one event in the bible happened.

    At best, there is some archaeological evidence that jews did take baths, that kings existed, that places existed, but nothing more.

    So, Sean is left with a baseless story taht is framed by real places and people.

    Just like a spider man comic book. Nothing requires "careful fictional writing", only the ignorant nonsense collected over years to invent jesus and the gospels.

  29. When you say that there wasn't a culture of historical fiction, you overlook there was a culture of myth and legend using actual places. The existence of Rome does nothing to sway me to believe in Romulus and the existence of Shuruppak is immaterial when determining the truth of Gilgamesh's flood experiences. The existence of the city does not increase the existence of the figures mentioned any significant amount.

  30. There's not a single mention of Jesus in the historical record until Tacitus in 116AD, and even that is just a statement about christians being scoundrels. AND the earliest manuscript for it is from Medieval times…. smh, have fun wasting your life on a Roman hoax.

  31. We have LOTS of fiction in history throughout the ages, it's only lately that we don't include mythical creatures in our history.

    But other than that, Seans argument is basically "for the bible tells me so".