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Progressive Christianity: A Biblical Response (with Michael Kruger)

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What are the ten commandments of progressive Christianity? Based on a list of ten principles put forth by an influential progressive Christian, Dr. Michael Kruger offers a diagnosis and critique of progressive Christianity.

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  4. The term “homosexual” didn’t exist until 1892. Some modern Bible translations say that “homosexuals” will not inherit the kingdom of God, but neither the concept nor the word for people with exclusive same-sex attraction existed before the late 19th century. While the Bible rejects lustful same-sex behavior, that’s very different from a condemnation of all gay people and relationships Sodom and Gomorrah involved an attempted gang rape, not a loving relationship. It’s commonly assumed that God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah out of his wrath against same-sex relations, but the only form of same-sex behavior described in the story is an attempted gang rape — nothing like a loving, committed relationship. The Bible explicitly condemns Sodom for its arrogance, inhospitality and apathy toward the poor — not for same-sex behavior.

  5. After reading Charles Finney's systematic theology I decided to go to the United Church of Christ, a progressive Christian Church. They believe in the Trinity. They do believe that the Gospel should have an impact on the socially oppressed people. Freeing slave, women's suffrage, the temperance movement, the holiness movement, the civil rights are movements were all the result of their theology. The Southern Baptist Church and many of what you call historical Christian Churches have opposed social change. If you read Justin, or Clement of Alexandria, Irenaeus or others of the early Church they do not speak like you do about historic Christianity. Irenaeus believed strongly in the concept of Jesus as an example. Clement of Alexandria said that "the highest and most perfect good is when one is able to lead someone from wrongdoing to right doing which is the very function of the law". Origen believed in reincarnation. It would seem to me that you would list all early Church fathers as progressives. Charles Finney said there is only one law and that is the law of eternal benevolence. This is why they fought so hard to oppose slavery even though the Southern Baptist held their Bibles and said, "The Bible says Slave server your masters". Stop continue being a NEW evangelical look at true historic Christianity. Christianity makes progress through history.

  13. Jesus wasn't walking around being winsom…he wasn't walking around being rude…but he behaved in different ways for different situations. When he met a pharisees he could make Twitter posts look downright kind. Let's get honest…I mean…if Jesus had gone around being "winsom" so many people would not have hated him.

  18. Modern Progressive Christianity is actually the “offspring” of the merger of the Rationalism of Renee Descartes and the Evolutionary Naturalism of Charles Darwin. This merger has been called “The Cartesian Darwinian narrative.” In 1859 Darwin published his “Origin of Species” which gave impetus to the skepticism of previous centuries. Evolution was considered the “heavy artillery” in the atheist’s war against Christianity. If, as Darwin’s theory goes, all biological life on earth is descended from a common ancestor millions of years ago then it is only logical that “religion” is also evolving with humanity. Since Rationalism rejects the supernatural out of hand only human reason can conceive of truth. Reason is the measure of what is true, not divine revelation. This is the foundation upon which Progressive Christianity rests, regardless of whether it is admitted or not. 😊😊😊

  19. Many leave Christianity because they don't understand the Bible or don't like what it says. I guess because I read so much history that had a lot of war, like China and Europe, i understand why the Israelites wiped out their enemies and plundered afterwards. It was how they lived. Talking wouldn't have worked. They did warn people but were ignored.
    Another reason they convert is the misunderstanding of the wrath of God in the Old testament then His love in the New Testament. I think they forgot that Israelites were once called stiff necked. They kept worshipping idols so God kept reminding in a harsh way who their true God was, like a Father spanking his kid. When they got their act together, He decided it was time, found Mary and became Jesus who preached love, and hell and finally exposed the deceivers.

  21. The part about being able to ask questions and have doubts is amazing!!! I grew up Mormon where it was shamed to ever have doubts. They were famous for saying “doubt your doubts” and believed that you could know for certain from a feeling alone.

    There is a book called The CES Letter where someone who taught for the church ended up leaving because he had lots of questions about the churches teaches using their own books. They went ignored and have remained so for a decade while the church bleeds membership. Anything on their website that tries to answer these questions, including how church text teaching are hypocritical of each other, are totally white washed and the facts often made up and full of logical fallacies.

    So I love that I can go to a pastor with questions and it’s ok because it’s not seen as a threat of me believing still! 😃

  22. MAGAmorons and fundamentalist "Christians" HATE progressive Christianity because it demands that they be decent human beings. If there's anything that fundamentalists despise, it's morality, and progressive Christianity asks them to be moral. Fundamentalists want, above all, to be bigoted, cruel, brutal, violent, greedy, lazy and perverted — and then to get a guaranteed free admission to eternal bliss without ever having to have a single moral virtue. You can tell this when merely quoting the words of Jesus of Nazareth drives them into a furious rage.

  27. As we talk about judgmentalism I think it's important to make the distinction that when God saves us, he gives us a new heart of love and mercy for people which continues throughout our Christian lives. The point is, "For it is God who wortheth in me, both to will and to do of His good pleasure." And, "Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ."  From start to finish it is God brings us salvation and God who then perfects us from the inside out, throughout our Christian lives. This cannot be done by ourselves. Thank you both for your excellent program.

  28. Strange that Judaism in Jesus's day also thought of Him as a progressive heretic, by espousing truths and God given insights deviating fom their scriptural ideology. They murdered him! Thankfully it's far less radical today. Thankfully today Christian religiosity only verbally attacks those, who with the leading of the H.S. have moved on with the certainties of dogma. From milk to meat as St Paul had said in his day. Both Jesus and Paul were mystics, that is experiencing God in reality rather than intellectual adherence to a religious dogma. For those sincerely "seeking to find" we may all be at a different stage in our journey. Let us not disparage one another and focus on ourdelves. Are we a witness to the world of Christ's life in us? (Galatians 1:16) Does our walk match our talk? As for Richard Rohr he has probably validated so much of what many have come to see with the "eyes of their heart." And as for this label progressive Christianity? I despair that the Pharisaical religious spirit in Christianity, is still alive and well. Simply because it relies legalistically on the written word the Bible, rather than the LIVING WORD in us to which it directs progressively from Genesis to the Gospels. And as for so called hell and eternal torment for those in this life who do not see with the "eyes of their heart?" Please check out the most ORTHODOX understanding of the new age to come of all. APOKATASTASIS! It will draw far more to the infinite love grace and mercy of God than putting, metaphorically speaking, placing a gun to someone's head using fear. Thank God for the likes of Franciscan Richard Rohr ex Protestant pastor now Orthodox Brad Jerzak, Paul Young, Brian Zhandt, Brian McLaren and so many more. These courageous Christians who have helped to break the Medieval/Calvinistic/Fundamentalists bias which has done so much in distorting Jesus's message to the world.
    FAITH HOPE LOVE these three but LOVE most of all. ❤️👍

  29. Im a Christian and I'm sad that your thoughts about the Bible are excluding certain christians. Here in South Africa your type of Christian teachings leads to the closing of mainstream churches. Because of your inability to change, will kill the Christian religion in the next century

  30. Either you believe in the Bible as God’s inherent Word or you don’t. A lot of people think it’s ok to mur&$@ someone, if they feel it necessary. I would bet the people on these clips would completely deny that a person who “feels” that way is completely wrong.

  32. Progressive Christians don’t like to judge others, unless those others are racists, or think that egalitarianism is wrong, etc.. in those cases they are extremely judgemental. They basically pick and choose which things are to be judged based on their own preferences.
    Christianity won’t hesitate to judge sin where the Bible declares it, be it racism or homosexuality.
    Of course with judgement there is also the grace of forgiveness offered.

  34. Jesus is not God. God is the Father of Jesus. Trinitarianism is the worship of three Gods trying to identify as one.

    👉And this is eternal life, that they may know YOU, THE ONLY TRUE GOD, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.
    John 17:3

    👉yet for us there is ONE GOD, THE FATHER from whom are all things, and we exist for Him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we exist through Him.
    1 Corinthians 8:6

    👉 For there is ONE GOD, and ONE MEDIATOR BETWEEN GOD and mankind, the man Christ Jesus, who gave Himself as a ransom for all, the testimony given at the proper time.
    1 Timothy 2:5‭-‬6

    👉and ye are Christ’s; and Christ is God’s.
    1 Corinthians 3:23 ASV

    👉Jesus said, "Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, 'I am ascending to my Father and your Father, TO MY GOD AND YOUR GOD.'" John 20:17

    👉 the same came unto him by night, and said to him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God; for no one can do these signs that thou doest, except God be with him.
    John 3:2 ASV

    👉 And Jesus advanced in wisdom and stature, and in favor with God and men.
    Luke 2:52 ASV
    👉 and walk in love, even as Christ also loved you, and gave himself up for us, an offering and a sacrifice to God for an odor of a sweet smell.
    Ephesians 5:2 ASV

    👉 For Christ entered not into a holy place made with hands, like in pattern to the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear before the face of God for us:
    Hebrews 9:24 ASV

    👉 “to the only wise God, through Jesus Christ, to whom be the glory for ever. Amen.”
    ‭‭Romans‬ ‭16:27‬ ‭ASV‬‬

    👉and has made us to be a kingdom and priests TO SERVE HIS GOD AND FATHER–to him be glory and power for ever and ever! Amen.
    Rev 1:6

    👉Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good–EXCEPT GOD ALONE.
    Luke 18:19

    👉For just as the Father has life in Himself, so He gave to the Son also to have life in Himself;
    John 5:26

    How is God granted to have life in himself?

    "And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, 👉Jehovah, the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob,👈hath sent me unto you: this is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations.
    Exodus 3:15

    👉The God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and of Jacob, the God of our fathers, hath glorified his Servant Jesus👈; whom ye delivered up, and denied before the face of Pilate, when he had determined to release him.
    Acts 3:13 ASV

    👉 to the only wise God, through Jesus Christ, to whom be the glory for ever. Amen.
    Romans 16:27 ASV

    👉to the only God our Saviour, through Jesus Christ our Lord, be glory, majesty, dominion and power, before all time, and now, and for evermore. Amen.
    Jude 1:25

    👉one Lord, one faith, one baptism, ONE GOD AND FATHER of all, who is over all, and through all, and in all.
    Ephesians 4:5‭-‬6 ASV

    👉For they themselves report concerning us what manner of entering in we had unto you; and how ye turned unto God from idols, to serve a living and TRUE GOD, and to wait for HIS SON from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, who delivereth us from the wrath to come.
    1 Thessalonians 1:9‭-‬10 ASV

    👉 that THE GOD OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST, the Father of glory, may give unto you a spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him;
    Ephesians 1:17 ASV