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Join Jon, Tim, and Alan for the kick off of our newest book club series. The speakers will be going chapter-by-chapter through The Universe Next Door by James Sire. This time, they will discuss chapters 1 and 2.

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  2. I thihk your discussion skipping Deism and Theism is a problem. It is very much an oportunity to see these things in yourrself and correct them or at least recognise and account for them … instead… youall chose to ignore them. There are diests al over the place who would call themselves Christians and they are not. there are Deists who call them selves naturalists… and they are not. There are also Deists that call themselves athiests they just don't like the way you describe God. But you all will not have the oportunity to make those discoveries in your discussion because you skiped the concept …. I have read the book but not for 20 years and was looking for some good discussion… I am dissapointed.

  3. Hey Guys! Loved your first video. I plan to watch them all. I have read Sire's Third Edition a number of times. Due to where the Church has been heading, I really want to get people to understand the Christian Worldview… I also would like to start my own club to go through Chapters 1 and 2 for sure. I am thinking after we go through those chapters, I would turn them on to your videos for further edification…

  6. The Bible 'book' = a compendium of fire side tales and fables,

    recounted orally ,

    for generations by goat herders and primitive tribes from the stone age,

    until writing was invented,

    and then, many different sources, transliterations, and versions were copied and written down..

    ''The Bible was created during a time where stories were verbally passed down over hundreds of years.

    Stories constantly morphed and changed over time, and the Bible is a collection of these.

    This is why it has the nearly identical flood story from Gilgamesh, and why Jesus has the same characteristics as Dionysus, Osiris, Horus, Mithra, and Krishna.

    The contradictions and immorality in the stories are not evidence that God is flawed or evil,

    but rather that humans invented him, just like the thousands of other gods that we used to, but no longer believe in.''

    ..and to answer the questions of the many fears and mysteries of our universe, like 'thunder' and earthquakes, since there was no science yet.

    That was the old Testament….

    The new Testes is also hearsay since these letters, 'gospels' and stories were written by the loyal faithful, the camp followers,

    not by objective historians at that particular time,

    or by any contemporary writers,

    and these tales were written many years after the supposed events of this mythical Jesus.

    There is essentially very little evidence of a Jesus in real documented history.

    A couple of spurious Roman reports, and all the rest anecdotal.

    …but more importantly …a jesus' existence is not an issue!

    A jesus is irrelevant without a god !

    Then, many of these stories, but not all, as many were not chosen,

    [ There are more than just four Gospels but only these four were agreed on ],

    were compiled for one self-absorbed converted Roman Emperor in his Nicean Council,

    for his expressed purpose of conquest

    and

    control of the people of Europe for his Holy Roman Empire.

    He recognised that this was the perfect religion/mythology for the future domination of the populaces.

    Half of the stories were ignored by the Nicean Bishops and none have been proven to be based on fact.

    This 'Bable' book is backed up by absolutely no facts and no evidence.

    It is not proof for any god(s) ….(or of any jesus as a god…)

    The fables are intertwined within historical places and people…

    eg Egypt and the Pharaohs existed,

    whereas Moses and the Exodus did not happen…!

    It is a historical novel

    …. ie A book of fiction..

    Only!

    The Bible book is proof of a book … ONLY (certainly not evidence of any gods…)

    PROVE a god!

  7. Feedback: This was convoluted to listen and follow because of the sound distortion and the delayed responses with caveats. However, it was a reminder to focus on The Bible for discussion of all matters and use books as references measured by the Word. God bless all with wisdom and understanding according to Holy Scripture.