Are Religion and Science in Conflict? — Science and God
Does belief in God get in the way of science? The idea that science and religion are inevitably in conflict is a popular way of thinking today. But the history of science tells a different story.
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Can you believe in God and science at the same time?
So-called “New Atheists” like Richard Dawkins and scientific materialists like Neil deGrasse Tyson certainly don’t think so. To them, religion gets in the way of science. In their view, more science leads to less God.
This is not a new position. It was first expressed over a hundred years ago by English physician John Draper in a book titled, A History of the Conflict Between Religion and Science.
Draper, who was deeply influenced by Darwin’s then-new theory of evolution, regarded organized religion as a direct and existential threat to the advancement of science. As he put it “. . . [Religion] and Science are… absolutely incompatible; they cannot exist together…mankind must make its choice—it cannot have both.”
So, are science and religion inevitably in conflict? Have they always been?
Well, not exactly.
In fact, the giants who established modern science—astronomer Johannes Kepler, chemist Robert Boyle, physicist Sir Isaac Newton and others—were deeply religious men. They didn’t see any conflict between science and religion. On the contrary: they thought that by doing science, they were discovering God’s design and revealing it to mankind.
Indeed, it’s no exaggeration to say that the Judeo/Christian religious tradition led directly to modern science.
To back up this claim, Cambridge University historian of science Joseph Needham posed a famous “Why there? Why then?” question.
Why there—in Europe. Why then—in the 16th and 17th centuries.
Why didn’t modern science start somewhere else before then?
After all, the Egyptians erected pyramids.
The Chinese invented the compass, block-printing, and gunpowder.
Romans built marvelous roads and aqueducts.
The Greeks had great philosophers.
Yet none of these cultures developed the systematic methods for investigating nature that arose in Western Europe during the 16th and 17th centuries.
This realization led Needham and other historians of science such as Ian Barbour and Herbert Butterfield to look for some other “X factor” to explain why “the scientific revolution” occurred where and when it did.
Here is the conclusion they reached:
Only the Judeo-Christian West had the necessary “intellectual presuppositions” to enable “the rise of science.”
So, what were those presuppositions?
We can identify three. All find their origin in the Judeo-Christian idea of a Creator God who fashioned an ordered universe.
First, the founders of modern science assumed the intelligibility of nature—that nature had been designed by the mind of a rational God, the same God who also made the rational minds of human beings.
Thus, these men assumed that if they used their minds to carefully study nature, they could understand the order and design that God had placed in the world.
Second, they assumed an underlying order in nature.
This was best expressed by philosopher Alfred North Whitehead who argued, “There can be no living science unless there is a widespread instinctive conviction in the . . . Order of Nature”—a conviction he attributed to belief in “the rationality of God.”
This idea led to the unprecedented use of mathematics to describe the orderly processes at work in the world, and inspired the invention of better instruments, such as telescopes and microscopes, to see that order.
And third, these founders of modern science presupposed the contingency of nature. This simply means that God had many choices about how to make an orderly world.
Just as there are many ways to design a clock, there were many ways that God could have designed the universe. To discover how He did, scientists could not merely deduce the order of nature by assuming what seemed most logical to them; that is, merely using reason alone to draw conclusions, as the Greek philosophers had tried to do.
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PROOF FOR THE EXISTENCE OF GOD: You walk into a room to get a drink of water, as you approach the fountain you pass a pool table and notice the balls are scattered around the table’s surface. You get the drink: As you turn to leave you notice the balls are now in the familiar racked triangular pattern, in order, and facing forward. What do you think? “Why did the balls move themselves like this? No. Pool balls are inert, lifeless, they cannot think or move themselves. For an inert element to move, a force external to it must exert itself against it to cause it to move. For this external force to move inert elements into patterns it must know how to 'manipulate', and know what a pattern is. There would have to be a consciousness (thought process) in the external force that manipulated the pool balls into this pattern, a thinking power moved them. This is the foundational question to our existence: How can inert lifeless matter demonstrate intentional behavior? The answer is obviously it cannot. The inert lifeless atom is the building block of the physical universe that is moving in patterns and systems that are not just predictable and repeating (planetary orbits), but remain within the narrow parameters of this one universal order model. This requires there to be an external force manipulating these atoms, one that possesses a consciousness. A thinking power is controlling the atoms of the universe—God. Because this power is coming from a place we cannot measure or see, and because it must exist for the atoms to be behaving in this way, we have to now conclude that there is an invisible or spiritual dimension to the reality of our existence. It is not inaccurate to refer to this dimension as spiritual due to the fact that it possesses a consciousness, and the ability to project power. John 4:24: "God is a spirit, and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.". Genesis 1:1: "In the beginning God created heaven and the earth." Hebrews 11:3: "Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God so that things which are seen are not made of things that do appear." The table is made of something that does not appear so it is rather invisible, or too small to see. If invisible the table would be invisible, it is not. We know it is too small to see-atoms. The Bible has been teaching us about atoms for 2000 years, they are too small to appear. Genesis 2:7: "And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground (atoms),,and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life (spirit), and man became a living soul.” This is why a person can think (consciousness) within their inert atom-made body, and have the ability to manipulate inert elements into patterns (build things). The body isn’t thinking. 1 Corinthians 3:16: "Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the spirit of God dwelleth in you?". Ecclesiastes 3:21: “Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upwards, and the spirit of the beast that goeth downward to the earth?" Genesis: 6:17 "And, behold, I, even I, do bring a flood of waters upon the earth, to destroy all flesh, wherein is the breath of life, from under heaven; and every thing that is in the earth shall die." James 2:26: "For the body without the spirit is dead."
The creatures of the world also have a spirit so they can think from within their inert atom-made bodies and manipulate inert elements into patterns (dens, nests). The spirit moves the body like the hand moves the glove. The whole of life on this planet, in the physical realm, is expressed in physical forms made of inert atoms that cannot think for themselves so they must be inhabited by a spirit of life to be active (alive). The fact that they 'grow' shows the hand of God at work. Growing is increasing mass and duplicating physical form and internal processes, not possible for inert lifeless material to do. Even plants have circulatory systems within them, movements that they, being composed by inert atoms, cannot muster themselves. Their roots bring up water from the soil, and their leaves produce carbohydrates through photosynthesis, using the sun for their sustenance. This entire ecosystem is a demonstration of God's omniscient power in action, as is the whole universe. Ephesians 4:6: "One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all." But the time will come when the old earth will be destroyed to make way for the new, it is called the "Day of the Lord."
The end of the evolution theory.
From three different camps the same common thread has been identified, the necessary presence of a central controlling mechanism that is maintaining this ordered universe, and the life within it. It is a logical conclusion by all three that of all that the universe is, none of it acts outside of the established order. That there is no such thing as Chaos. All is composed within 'the order of things'. Chemistry demonstrates this as mixing two chemicals together always produces the same result. Never will the result change. The established order allows for the predictability that brings new treatments for illnesses, or targeted nuclear weapon yields.
To have arrived at the conclusion this mechanism must exist was the product of accurate research by all camps. Assigning specific theories as to what this mechanism actually was, was not.
Camp #1 has embraced the theory of the Allele Frequency as this central mechanism because it is seen that frequencies are universally pervasive. It is not an inaccurate premise that something that spans the entire universe could contain the central mechanism.
Camp #2 has embraced the Higgs Boson particle theory. Something again that appears to have a possible basis of probability as there are particles throughout the entire universe as well.
Camp #3 Holds to the following of God, and that the central controlling mechanism is simply God's Holy Spirit that both created and maintains all things.
All have a universal presence by their definitions, but not all possess the attributes required to provide the needed capabilities for a universal mechanism.
These attributes are:
1) The mechanism must possess cognition to be maintaining the repeating/predictable universal order in the first place.
2) The mechanism must be able to project power to be able to manipulate the inert/lifeless matter into the order, down to the smallest level.
3) The mechanism must be able to represent something that is related to what 'life' is, that it could both create and continue it.
Neither frequencies, nor particles, possess these attributes, making them unable to fulfill the requirements for the job.
This leaves the Holy Spirit of God as, even in agnostic/atheist circles, as the only realistic possibility to explain the universe and all things in it.
Satan has invented a 'theory' that exists to move mankind away from God to an explanation by man: Evolution.
The fraud of Evolution:
In this theory, an animal is said to evolve in order to better survive its changing environment. To have its form change to provide a better ability of the animal to continue, all by randomly occurring mutations that are without direction and purpose, as all would be without a consciousness 'steering' the mutations which is what the evolutionists avow. Two questions that destroy the evolution theory. 1) How did matter come to be? 2) How can inert lifeless matter demonstrate intentional behavior randomly?
The evolutionary process must play out as follows if it was a reality. The individual atoms that form the body (that is lifeless matter) of the animal must possess a consciousness to be aware of what the body is, and be aware of the 'life' that is within the form/body. They must be aware of not only themselves (self aware), but their fellow atoms within the form/body. They must be aware of what life is and perceive the life within the form they compose. They must also be aware of what a healthy life is and what a life under stress is, and care whether it survives or not. They must also be aware of the external environment, what it should be in order to be healthy for the life within the body, and what changes it must have gone through in order to cause the stress of the life within the body, which means the atoms must also be monitoring both the life's condition, and the changing conditions of the external environment (and its effects on the body and life). The atoms must also be aware of what changes they must make to the lifeless atom-made form/body in order to restore health to the life (grow more hair in reaction to a colder environmental change). Now for the body to change form its DNA must change within its reproductive system to bring the corrective change. New information, new atoms for new genes, need to come from somewhere and be put in the right sequence within the reproductive DNA strand to bring the corrective change of growing more hair, needing to know what hair actually is in the first place, or why they are acting in a pro-life direction with the mutations, which requires, as does the rest of this, a consciousness present, which is the point that renders the evolutionary theory extinct, and shows the character of abortion as an abomination. It is obvious that all of these necessary conditions are not just impossible, but far and away from reality. Atoms do not possess their own consciousnesses, they cannot move, they cannot find new atoms for new genes somewhere and plug them into the correct position within the DNA strand, they are not self-aware. But this is exactly what they must be, and be able to do, if the Evolution theory is to play out. Impossible, impossible, impossible. Adding another nail to the evolution theory coffin is the fact that the change in the DNA blueprint must occur during the time the first individual, that had a consciousness, came into existence, while it was still alive. This would allow its offspring to have the added safety modification to survive a threatening environment. The living, thinking, FIRST, complete individual, that spontaneously came into existence, had to be able to cognizantly change its own DNA to help its offspring. The DNA of the parents was set and could not offer the new gene, the offspring received all of its genes from the parents, so where did this new gene come from? Nowhere. This 'theory' inadvertently proves God's existence. When it is run backwards, and ends up arriving at the first atom in the evolutionary progression, the only two answers explaining where it came from are 1) coming from nothing or, 2) It had to be created out of nothing-by God. Since something cannot come from nothing the answer must be it was created by God. Ending the existence of the evolutionary theory.
That's a whole lot of bias in one video, making it inherently unscientific. Strange how you end on saying that without this tradition we'd be living in a much more primitive world, when dismissing or attributing unknown or unexplained things to a "god" is an inherently primitive mindset in of itself.
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I find it interesting that people seem to only ever discuss evolution and creation…but there's no larger conversation about devolution as a subtractive process in tandem with creation. That certainly would explain shortened lifespans, molecular instability, and possibly, the generally smaller size of organisms.
Religion is in conflict with science, science doesn't care about religion.
can they stop saying "judeo-Christian" it's clearly christian men who started the scientific revolution.
Well said, science is just that, science
Science does not disprove god. the Bible disproves the Christian god.
Allah is the greatest , The Holy Quran answers all questions
Oh people , read The Holy Quran and find the truth
Christians: Faith and science have no conflict at all!
Scientists: But this world is really old, and plants cannot spawn before the creation of sky or atmosphere.
Christians: This is a metaphor! Don't take it literally?
Scientists: Then how are we supposed to honor the Sabbath? If the creation takes really long that time, and we decide to have an estimated time of creation as period of cycle. Then at the end of this cycle we rest for a period consists of 1/6 of this cycle's length?
Christians: Wtf……Wait! Oh my god! You just proved that revelation and final judgement will come! Because human cannot survive that long without people working in hospital, maintaining infrastructure, agriculture and education! That must be the time god picks us up!
Intelligent Design
Nothing can be Created without Intelligence and Intelligent Design.
Transgender Is A Malfunction Of Creation
It is not a Choice as the God worshipers claim.
For those who hate Truth just point out what is not true in this post.
That would be Honest and Wise.
Truth Is Existence
No Man Is Truth.
Truth is All That Truly Exists.
Other Than Truth there is Just The understood Concept of An Absence. Lies with intent to deceive or not is fantasy. Lies remain in the nonexistent realm.
Truth only frees you from Lies and deceit
Creation is only the Rearrangement of Matter.
As, Matter does not evolve from nothing.
The Great intelligent Designer and Creator, Matter, Knowledge, Energy, Time, Space, and The Spirit Energy Source, Has Always Existed. All are Without Beginning or end.
Beginning and the End only reveals an absence.
Spirit Energy Source Is True Science. It is not Religion.
knowledge and understanding is of the Spirit Energy Source
The Great Creator Is Spirits
The Great Creator is not a Father or a lord those both are just a man, just humans.
The Great Creator is far more Massive and complex than the God worshipers realize and understand.
The Great Creator is not a being somewhere in space.
The Great Creator is a huge mass of spirits in perfect unity. And with the same care and respect for each another.
Truth is not free. Truth has absolute boundaries'. Justice comes only by the truth.
Free has absolutely no boundaries', free is chaos.
The Basic Of Justice is do unto others as you would like to be done unto you.
The Basic principle of Christianity, It is far from Justice.
To sentence and executing an innocent man for the crime of all humanity. What Honest person would let your neighbor be executed for your own crime? Evidently a Christian would.
However, you all will face your own consequences, for your corruption and crime. You will not pin it on an innocent man. You all will harvest what you plant.
And Christianity also promote Cannibalism by a ritual that they pretend they are eating Jesse's flesh and drinking his blood.
The Great Creator performs Justice. You all will face your own consequences for your corruption and crimes. You will not pin them on an innocent man.
Christian's : How is it that you successfully deceive those in other nations to worship your Imaginary Mythical Gods and then go to war for the nation you worship and kill those members of your own churches.
Words to the honest and wise: honesty and understanding is the only true belief. Without honesty and understanding we do not know what to believe.
To accept other’s opinion of the truth without proving it to yourself; it is being deceived it is not believing.
We must understand to believe.
Until Next time: Sweet Dreams: Truth will solve all our problems before we create them; and ignore or reject the truth; problems will multiply all by themselves; those problems will need no help.
Have a great and a meaningful life if it is at all possible.
Just whispers, of the Ghost of Reality.
When some of the scientists are or were religious and did believe in god that does not mean that the religion and science are compatible.
Being religious and believing in god cover some needs of human being and scientists are human also. But science and religion are not compatible at all.
Religion believes to have the absolute knowledge about the absolute truth but science is based on questions about everything thing and says the absolute knowledge is not possible.
It's funny how a pseudoscience promoter talks about the history of science. Of course, he's gonna shove God in this history in the same fashion he shoved God in his pseudoscience.
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IN HUMAN BEINGS BRAIN THERE ARE TWO BIG relegion 1 is Small religion All three are fighting for which religion is bigger but every one running after for money Nobody cares for Humanity
That is why humans beings life is decreasing by natural desastors
Human beings have forgotten that every actio opposite reaction
We must belive only as Sabh kha Malik ekh hai otherwise Vinashkale Viprith buddhi Nischith hai