It is difficult to go through Daniel chapter 4 without realizing that, in our day and time, Nebuchadnezzar would have been diagnosed with some type of mental disorder, medicated to the point of absurdity, and put in an institution with little or no hope of returning to a normal life.
But, what is the Biblical view of mental health? How should we as Christians (and especially Pastors) look at the “mental health” industry? In this sermon, Pastor Voddie gives a Biblical look at these issues.
Nebuchadnezzar Loses His Mind l Voddie Baucham
Daniel 4:4-37
Nebuchadnezzar Loses His Mind
Voddie Baucham Sermon
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I am a Hospital chaplain in New Zealand . Doctors here often refer Chaplians to meet with patients in our mental heath unit because they know there is a spiritual component to people Outlook and often there illness itself. This is not a perfect system but at least it is acknowledged as importance.
You put too many distractions in the middle of the sermon : commercial – about 6-7/8 advertisements for what ? Why ?
I know God and I know Jesus and I know the Holy Spirit. They are my EVERYTHING. I know I have trauma and the Holy Spirit tells me I need to process this. I listen to Derek Prince and his sermons on deliverance. I have been honest, I have been humbled, I have confessed every sin that He exposes it to me when I ask Him to search my heart for any unrighteousness and to correct me. I repent and pray for forgiveness. I am forgiving every person who has hurt me. I have forsaken what ever is not of God. I beg for what He wants. I walk how I learn how Jesus walks.
And I have been diagnosed with anxiety depression and bipolar. I've been crying praying in complete humility to be delivered from my affliction. Stress I can deal but the anxiety hurts physically. I have been seeking fellowship with other Believers. But I have this anxiety that engulfs me. I am weening off most of my medication. I have faith that others envy. I blame God for not a thing. I thank Him for absolutely everything no matter how small. So what gives? I've rebuked demons curses hexes generational curses occult all of it. My meds I have always said just mask my symptoms not cure me. I know this. I'm aware of the side effects and I know when something isn't working. God says those who love the Lord will be delivered and I pray for that daily. I talk to God for hours every day. I give Him glory for everything as soon I see it. I have yelled at the enemy to leave my head my body my home, I yell that I'm closing all doors to the enemy. I believe I will be delivered. My psych asks me about my life my trauma my sleep what I eat he sees that I have lost weight due to exercise, my menstrual cycle. What am I missing?
What is the answer. Tell me…
Here is series on biblical counseling vs “christian” counseling
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I'm a Licensed Clinical Social Worker, and a Certified Lay Minister, and I approve this sermon. Well said. Amen Amen Amen Amen. — Many good points but I'll just pick one to highlight. I really like when Dr. Baucham talks about how we expect that we aren't suppose to go through pain and we think that we must always medicate away the pain.
My college degree was in psychology. I loved trying to figure things out.
I wrote a paper on Freud.
He started with helping people with their childhood sexual abuse. He submitted a paper at an esteemed conference about it and was blacklisted for his work.
So then he came up with his id, ego, super ego theory. The Oedipus and Electra complexes.
That made him famous and everyone touted him.
It also set back help for victims of abuse for well over a century.
I got a C on that paper and resounding silence from the professor.
I didn't pick Freud I wanted Jung.
Freud was never able to help any of his patients after that when he had a lot of early success helping people before.
Much of severe mental illness has to do with vitamin deficiency and parasites.
Why many of our clients act out during a full moon it probably is because the parasites flock to the digestive track to procreate during a full moon.
In the Bible when king Herod died he was full of worms.
We could do so much more for people but we are hand tied by the system.
Using antiparasitic herbs/medication. Mega dosing Bvitamins. Supplying minerals and good nutrients.
Talking to people about God and His healing of the mind.
So many people could be healed
But we are not allowed to do any of that.
We can't speak of God unless we have consent in our jobs.
Denomic over site.
Thank you. I sent this message to my children. Please pray with me that this message will be heard and they will understand it. Or tries to.
Diagnosed as bi-polar for several years and medicated, I finally turned to Jesus. I gave Him my life whole heartedly and there were several verses that helps me.
‘Love the LORD your God with all your heart, MIND, and soul.’ When I learned I could use my mind, I was blown away.
Likewise Take each thought captive unto the Lord Jesus. It was possible! And the smaller the thought, the faster the healing.
Then, the parable of when a man cleans his house but doesn’t fill it, the demons come back even worse.
Of course, there were many more and 40 years later I’m still learning and renewing my mind.
Thank you for your teaching!
I will say that this is the first time that I heard you miscommunicate and mislead people on a point,I think you need to study a little more about psychiatry & the shared effectiveness of medical science that is seen in the outcome. Both medicine and psychiatry use medication and does not medication alter symptoms? It could be the heart blood pressure reduced, could be the bizarre thoughts or dysfunction of a person controlled. please do not over exaggerates if you don’t offer people the total healing from God above at least here on earth, let them have the hope of a psychiatric treatment don’t bash it..
What will you do if somebody like Nebuchadnezzar is brought to your church office? You believe that healing has seized so you are not going to put your hand and heal him. I bet you would call a psychiatrist or take him to the emergency psychiatric team.. I’m sure you will pray for his healing, but as for his soul, he will not comprehend you therefore you’ll consider him lost. One thing I gather from your preaching today we have to reach people for their salvation, and to show them what God’s way is for our life.
High blood pressure is not a disease it is a malfunction of the heart due to many factors. Bipolar is not a disease. It is a malfunction of the brains Neuro transmitters, in the same fashion that diabetes is not a disease. It is a disorder of the function of insulin.
I know a psychiatrist who refused to work with children bc he "didn't want to make kids think they needed medicine to be okay." His thought process was that if someone was in his office, they already think they need medicine. So he gives it to them to keep them coming back.
When I think about it that so true teach us more pastor
This is the second sermon of this guys I've listened to the first one was on homosexuality it was pretty good except when it came to what the answer to the problem was it was no good. Now after listening to the first 20 min of this I think the guys a complete idiot and a fool and a dangerous person, mental illness is really a disease of the brain, the brain is an organ like the liver or kidney or heart but much more complex so it gets a catagory on its own it is a real thing look at all the people with heart disease and all the heart does is pump blood how much more so for the brain, because of the level of our scientific knowledge right now all we can really do is treat it with medicine and councouling someday in the future we will no more but it is not demonic.
Seriously, Nebuchadnezzar was inflicted by God. Daniel's prophecy/dream interpretation basically implies/"says"so.
As a practicing Counsellor and I remember in my third year of my BA psych major degree sitting in class thinking to myself, ''This doesn't sound right.''' I was 21 and for the life of me could not see how I can practice because I wasconflicted, I disagreed with all the theories and most of all I was wondering about my position, sitting there, listening to a person's problems as if I was God and I know how to help them.
Long story short I graduated heavily conflicted and confused. I did not knowwhat to do I struggled so much I only made 62% couldn't even get into Honors because that year I was struggling a lot with Psychology, my conviction was heavy yet I could not argue my case so the following year I branched into Industrial Psychology. I was credited for having a degree in psych and only did one year only focusing on the Business Psych modules I hadn't done, in my head I thought at least I'll be doing business not ''diagnosing'' and acting as god having people come to me with their problems.
I did very well but ended up leaving Uni for a bit after. I needed direction. I had become vegan another conviction that weighed heavy on me. A lot was going on. I worked in corporate for 3 years and resigned. God at this time was saying, ''Leave the City. Homeschool this child(my daughter) and move to the country side.'' I did not question that as already I was suffocating in the city. I could n't ft in. I did not belong. I did not understand the life lived there. Fast forward to God last year after going through some really tough years God redirecting me because I had asked for direction and for Him to position me where I'm supposed to be. God showed me a counseling course. I said, ''But psychology ….'' He said, ''You can reach people in private practice. Teach them everything you know.'' Now I am a Seventh-day Adventist and my church has many teachings I know would benefit many people. I am passionate about these teachings, simple basic laws of nature that can help one get out of depression I know because they've helped me.
God said to me, you know all these things and have no platform to share them, your private practice will be that platform. I practice as a Wellness Counselor and I agree with Voddie on everything he said being on the field and having God explain to me exactly why I am where I am. One day he said to me, ''You have to have a reason why you do the things you do the way you do.'' He explained to me why Wellness Counseling – I don't diagnose and I am able to pray with clients, teach them and draw their attention to the existence of a Divine God who is the source of all life which is something psychology and psychiatry ignores or simply doesn't acknowledge.
I can go on and on and on about this, how I've seen God help His children without any diagnosis – some people just need guidance and education … my people perish because of lack of knowledge, people need to be woken up with the truth and fact of the matter which is YOU NEED GOD, that 's all you need! Your problems that are depressing you need to be taken to Calvary where burdens are lifted. Point people to God is what I do but first I listen prayerfully as God helps me navigate the real problem and with His guidance I work with the client, helo facilitate a change.
GOD IS IN CHARGE, PEOPLE NEED TO KNOW THAT! HE IS THE ANSWER AND SOLUTION!
2nd time I've listened with great intent and still the sermon gives revelations of understanding and wisdom.. Thank you Lord Jesus Christ for our brother Voddie , may we all be driven out of our love for God, to make the same effort in understanding Gods Holy word. 🙏💗
Boanthropy is an illness when someone thinks they are a cow. God punished him with that type of disorder. Not all mental illness is from sinning. People in the Bible got punished with physical illness, yet not all physical illness is a result from sin. When you say that all mental illness is from sin or the devil, then you are starting to sound like the wealth and health gospel. That is what they tell their members.
Having been diagnosed with bipolar disorder for almost 20 years I looked to the illness not to God.
As a result I have had many different manic and depressive episodes, and two psychotic breaks. I have stopped taking the medicine for the hundredth time in February of this year and I have had the most peace filled, joyous days of my life.
I have never had clarity like this, and my mind is quiet, and my memory has improved.
What is difference in me not taking the medicine now and then, I really don’t think I was truly saved until now.
The whole reason why I haven’t stopped using nicotine is because it keeps my anger at bay. This sermon puts this into context. Maybe if I wasn’t so selfish and more Godly I wouldn’t be unrighteousnessly angry at little things. I got a long ways to go…
Psychology is the number 1 most completed course because it's usually a forced class you have to take for whatever thing you're going to college for even if it has nothing to do with your desires field of work.
The argument is always this: "they work for me, and I feel the change, so they must be legit." – followed by: you are a monster for trying to tell people any different.
Amazing testimony. You did the work!!
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Amen and Amen !
Amen amen amen
Wow
As Voddie says, "Psychiatry and psychology have never
cured anyone of anything nor do they claim to be able to".
They and the pharmaceutical companies create customers!!
Very difficult topic and associated sub-topics handled unabashedly and intelligently by a humble servant of our Lord. Thanking God for the undiluted truth of His Word. 💜✝️💜
I had a very hard time with depression. It was the reason I couldn't sleep or eat. I didn't want to get out of bed. My life would be just fine but I'd be so depressed i didn't want to live. I didn't try to commit suicide, but many times I begged God to let me die. I was saved, i wasn't living in sin, and prayed and prayed for God to take all the symptoms of ptsd away from me for yrs. I was severely abused as a child, in every way imaginable. The worst wasn't even being kidnapped and raped. Beaten and screamed at. The worst was the psychological abuse my mom put me through. Her twisted mind made her say some of the sickest things that not even adults could wrap their minds around. I'd rather her beat me 10 times worse than to have ever heard the vile, putrid, downright demonic things she would repeatedly tell me. I'm 49 now and I still suffer. I still can't sleep for days in a row. By the time I was 17, i already felt like I had lived lifetimes. My own mother caused me to be kidnapped. She told me God gave her a vision that something bad would happen to my kids if I didn't go to church more often. (I stopped going for awhile and turned my back on God because I just thought He didn't care, especially because my mom always told me nobody would ever love me because I was just born bad and she couldn't even stand to look at me). So when God wouldn't take away my depression, panic attacks, insomnia, nightmares when I actually did get some sleep, I figured he didn't give a crap either. So, I'm still on medication, and I want off. I've rededicated my life to God, but I know longer pray for healing. I no longer pray to die. I just read revelation 21:4 when things get really bad. And just ask God to remember me. Someone else can have my mansion in heaven. I just want Him to wipe the tears from my eyes. And sit with me. And hold me.
Am so so so glad to hear the myths exposed for what it is…..which is that shrinks are greater than God. .
Thank you Pastor Voddie Beauchamp…keeping Speaking Gods truth.
I was diagnosed with a few things before I found my relationship with God. As He helped me to grow little by little those things went away. I believe He cured me. I know He did. I did have to work through a lot of childhood trauma. Today, I'm so in love with my God. Not just for curing me of those awful things. But, for showing me How much He loves me and renewing my mind. I never knew I could be content and know true joy that only comes from God. Now, I've learned to put Him above everyone and everything. Even my husband and children. Without God first in my life, I couldn't be my best for the ones I love. I'm not perfect and NEVER will be. But, as long as I have my God, I'll be all right ❤❤❤
#LovemyJesus
Based off his conclusion the sermons' point is to remind Christians that they should be conscious of spirituality in the matters of mental illness.
I am kind of giddy because I have never disagreed with Pastor Baucham up until this point. Not with the conclusion, i agree with that but i have a few critiques on how he went about it. It's nice to know i do not idolize him but genuinely admire him, today im happy because i was worried about that with the few pastors whose sermons i enjoy, this one being one of them.
The first one is when he said mental health is not a medical issue: It is, otherwise there would not be MEDICAL doctors involved, if you googled what constitutes a medical condition the first 5 articles all say mental health is part of it.The second thing is he tries very hard to make a distinction between physical medical conditions and mental illnesses which does not really help to make the argument he claims he is making.
The distinction only helps these arguments that im going to list now 1. Mental health conditions are not as serious a physical one 2. Mental illnesses do not exist because they are not diagnosable 3.Mental health conditions are not too great for God. (my retort to this would be" physical ones are?") realize i did not say he made these arguments i just stated that him making the distinction can only help with the arguments i listed and not with the one he claims he is making. He also groups all mental illnesses together and i do not think thats fair because although most of them are undiagnosable some of them (mental illnesses in the DSM5) actually are, i wonder what his case for that is.
Thirdly he says
that all mental illnesses have physical and/or spiritual undertones and proceeds to say if its physical it should be fixed just like you would for what he deems is a medical condition. This is based off the false assumption that there are procedures to every physical condition, for example if you are born without a leg, that's a physical medical condition which has no cure .So why should some mental condition with a physical undertone DEFINITELY have a cure and not crutch or prosthetic like you would get for the person without a leg.Crutch being the medication. The statistics for his point about drugs being addictive when prescribed are 12 % . This might seem daunting but this 12% is assuming they prescribe you the medication in the first place .Your probability of getting prescribed medication that you would then be addicted to is actually 0.0072 % to give you perspective your chances of getting in a fatal motor accident every time you leave your house is 0.3%.So if you dont take pills cos of that you might as well stop driving and teleport to work😂.On the matters of medicating children i think thats a debate for another day ,but i stand against medicating children depending on the disorder.Also at the end he says if you are a believer then the ONLY reason you could be offended(im not offended i just disagree) is cos of your sin because everything he said was facts. Its pretty pompous to presume that every assertion you have made for an hour is absolute if you ask me .Its more realistically probable that you wanted to be truthful for an hour but unless you are a robot i highly doubt it 😂even Chatgpt makes nonsense arguments sometimes so even if you were a robot you would probably still be wrong for assuming that.Also about the bipartheid i would say we are actually tripartrheid beings mind,body and brain. I knew a diligent, harworking guy in highschool who wanted to do a difficult mathematics based degree although his mind and body were co-operating with his will his brain wasnt , so he failed the same grade 3 times and eventually had to join other streams that were more easier cos he just couldnt cut it in the pure maths class. So there is an aspect to which your brain as a control centre can hinder your life its not a far of jump to presume it might hinder you without it being your mind or body's problem.
The sermon although edifying through the pastors wonderful public speaking skills and the reading of the word is very anti-medication ,anti-mental health awareness in its undertones. Much is to be said about the pharmaceutical companies and their mal practices but to throw out the baby with the bath water would be unwise.
I am a born again child of God and also suffer from severe anxiety and depression and have a family history of both. Medication has been a life changer for me. I wouldn't go back for anything in the world. Do I love Jesus less? No! Do I have less faith? No! Thanks to medication I can now function. I can now laugh. I can now sleep. I can be about the Father's business.
Amen!
Thank you. I have a couple of questions
1. Dr. Voodie said that "I am not saying that there is no such thing as mental illness." So what is he saying?
2. Just as Science cannot define what energy is, they can see what its effects does but not what it is, is it possible that mental illness cannot be accurately tested in the same manner?
Thank you and the Lord bless you.
ADHD can be seen through brain mapping.
Neurons can be brain mapped.
I think we should be careful and conscious on the spiritual aspects of mental health but not draw blanket statements that can be shown through brain mapping.
I love Jesus as my Lord and Saviour, i am saved by grace through faith. I also study psychology because there are physical aspects to mental health and diagnosis.
I thank God for you Dr. Baucham!
This sermon was a great blessing to me ❤
Modern day witchcraft is what it is
I really needed to hear this because I was thinking of going on anti anxiety medication. I just need to immerse myself into God’s word. Thank you Pastor Voddie for this wonderful sermon.
AMEN!!!!! Nobody is saying this these days. I’ve believed it my whole life. As a Registered nurse whose taken 3 different psych courses, worked with psych patients, etc…I’ve known this for so long, but nobody else believes it. AMEN Voddie. AMEN. There is no such thing as a chemical imbalance and they have no way of testing for it. They have no longterm studies on these drugs that support their use. Many of these drugs are downright dangerous. Nobody suffering from “mental illness” wants the Gospel, or to be told they need to lay their anxieties at the foot of the cross. They just take the drugs and numb themselves through life.
This was so awesome. Those of us blessed to hear this sermon, may be use this wisdom to conduct our lives and help others come to the truth of God's word. Amen 🙏
I agree with him when he spoke about teenagers having depression and being up and down like teenagers usually are. It’s normal! Especially when your a teenager that was bought up being abused or neglected, missing a parent and not having that hood filled when you were young. I was a depressed and anxious child and teenager, lost mum when I was 7, didn’t get the love and nourishment I needed from dad and step mum, and went down the wrong path. Now at 39 I don’t have the same cares as when I was a teen. I never went on medication when I was young, but I was always seeking to relive my pain if not having my emotional needs met as a child. I stopped doing that in my early 30s and now close to 40 I can honestly say that this is just how life is with most people. It is being human. I’m glad to say that as a almost 40 something year old women that I went through that turmoil in the first half of my life because I am very wise beyond my years at the age I am now and am better as a person then I ever was.
If you are a teen and struggling like I did emotionally, not feeling loved or like you matter, not feeling like you fit in with your family and peers, then all I have to say is that “this too shall pass”. Focus on God and the bible. Never give up. Go to the gym. Look after your health. Look after your digestive health. Meditate on the word and spend times with the holy spirit. Things pass. Nothing is forever.
Dr. Baucham, thank God for you! I agree with everything you’ve said! I am a licensed mental health professional in GA and I have a Christian practice! I specifically focus on the problems of mental illness through a Christian worldview! Many of my clients have a distorted view of mental health. I focus on helping them see their issues as they connect to how God wants us to live. I focus on their life issues and the areas they struggle, not seeking to give them a label they can excuse their behavior and identify themselves with! Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn’t, for various reasons. Often people want a pill to make them feel better; they want a diagnosis to rest on, to not have to work hard on their own lives; they are inundated with social media that celebrates mental illness; the internet that they Google their diagnosis etc; colleges promote these diagnoses to young people In some cases helped many people get off serious psychotropic drugs that were destroying their minds. I totally agree with everything you’ve said and I encourage everyone to pay close attention to everything you said and seek a Christian therapist that UPFRONT in their Informed Consent let’s you know that A BIBLICAL WORLDVIEW is what they are using to help them resolve their issues. I’m my 13 year experience, very very few people need medication and even fewer actually have a psychiatric mental illness.
People need to also know there are FAITHFUL and TRUE BELIEVERS that are therapists, psychologists and psychiatrists! We may be few and far between, but we EXIST and God uses US TOO in His kingdom! I know, because I am one of them!
Thanks for this message. I have been wondering for awhile now about how much of the mental illness was more likely a spiritual illness, it has more to do with unwillingness to listen to God, unwillingness of people to repent to God and to one another when they have sinned against someone, and an unwillingness to forgive. Unwillingness to follow God's word on how to live life. Allowing anger to rule our life. We want God to meet us on our terms instead of his terms.