Michael Behe: Is There Evidence against Evolution?
Greg Koukl of Stand to Reason interviews Michael Behe on his book, “Darwin Devolves: The New Science About DNA That Challenges Evolution.”
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What did evo evolve from
What was first the heart or blood
What was first smarts or the brain and what about the scull
What was first kidneys or the mouth and thirst or stomach
This aint no collage thing its first grade
Atheisss preach GOD is the only thing that needs a creator .all else is self created but needs no creator
Less than 1% of biologists reject evolution while the rest accept it. As a non-expert in evolution yourself, why would you side with the minority view? Its completely irrational! I guess that without it your religious views fall flat?
Do we REALLY know?
Behe's characterisation of mutations as "broken" is merely semantic trickery. I can evolve a "seal" from a "newt" (via a bird!) in just 4 stepwise mutations, with every mutation producing a fully functional word: NEWT – NEAT – TEAT – TEAL – SEAL. It makes no sense to describe any of these as a "broken" word or a "broken" letter, or to claim that "information" has been lost. They are just changes that result in a variation of function. If the "environment" is appropriate, each one can make the word "fitter" than the previous variant. Secondly, it is simply untrue to claim that all mutations represent losses of genetic material (or "information"). Gene duplication has long been accepted as a significant mechanism for generating novel gene functions (eg David et al 2020).
have you check out "Exposing the Discovery Institute Part 1: Casey Luskin" and "How Creationism Taught Me Real Science 44 Lucy" on youtube. they shows how ignorant .Casey Luskin and discovery institute is.
Well explained. Thank you
“Michael J. Behe is an American biochemist, author, and advocate of the pseudoscientific principle of intelligent design.” How is it that only scientists that are trying to also prove God’s existence go against evolution??? Is there any unbiased scientific evidence against evolution that is not based in religious principles???
LOGICAL ARGUMENTS FOR A CREATOR GOD…EVEN MORE EVIDENCE
For those of you struggling with the concept of the existence of a CREATOR GOD and who do not want it rammed down your throat with the BLIND FAITH or rhetoric of religious fanatics, perhaps this logical line of reasoning will help you make a more informed decision…one not based solely on blind faith alone but based also on the FACTS and the evidence that we do SEE.
I have studied the evidence for and against the existence of a CREATOR GOD for many years and from the perspective of various scientific disciplines. There will still be some element of BLIND FAITH involved but this opinion is based on the INCONTROVERTIBLE, UNDENIABLE and IRREFUTABLE FACTS.
HERE IS WHAT I MEAN
I have examined the EVIDENCE of the complexity of our magnificent DESIGN OF LIFE, and I see a machine with unlimited capacity for self repair and maintenance and with numerous back-up and FAIL SAFE systems. Our design of life has a HARD DRIVE, a set of incredibly detailed programs encoded in our DNA and a built-in factory which can manufacture materials that we need from scratch.
The “ evolutionists “ want me to believe that this just developed by itself? Are they kidding? Instead, based on my observations, and borrowing an expression from my thirty years as a trial lawyer, I came to the conclusion that;
From the PREPONDERANCE OF PROOF and on the BALANCE OF PROBABILITIES, it is much more LOGICAL to conclude that our DESIGN OF LIFE is the work of a CREATOR GOD or an INTELLIGENT DESIGNER and the product of an INTENTIONAL design rather than just the result of RANDOM chance and the mere passage of time.
For example, when you examine our INNATE IMMUNE SYSTEM, one of TWO such systems that we have, the other being the ADAPTIVE immune system, you learn that it takes on average twenty (20) separate and distinct chronological chemical steps, executed in perfect SEQUENCE, to illicit even one immune response. If a major system, like the LYMPH system fails to eliminate lymph fluid in its normal way, it is backed up by a hidden fail-safe system which we are not even aware of and which will kick in and allows LYMPH to excrete through the skin.
Recently we discovered another program hidden in our DNA which we were unaware of whereby the body cleanses itself of pathogens and even cancer cells when we go through an extended FAST which has been dubbed AUTOPHAGY and has won a NOBEL prize for its discoverer. It raises the prospect that there are other such wonderful programs hidden in our machine which GOD has installed into our hard drive and software which only come into play in emergency and special circumstances and which we have yet to discover. This to me confirms the GOD given origins of this prescription in the BIBLE because there is no way our primitive ancestors would have known about this FASTING " program".
Even more recently the researchers at Cardiff University in Whales discovered the existence of what could be a UNIVERSAL marker they called MR-1 which can identify any and all cancer cells in the body no matter which kind they are and an existing killer T-cell which recognizes and reacts to it, killing the marked cell… something I have intuitively known had to be part of GOD'S great and complex design and which it was only a matter of time till we discovered it. This system must be working perfectly well most of the time otherwise everyone would develop cancer all the time since our environment is so poisoned. We just have to now figure out why in some cases its normal efficiency is interfered with.
It makes no sense that such a complex DESIGN OF LIFE is merely the result of RANDOM Chance and the mere passage of time. If you said this about any other manifestly magnificent design structure like an automobile… you would be called BRAIN DEAD.
What do the “evolution” theorists want us to believe? That a bolt of lightning hit a pile of doo-doo four billion years ago…and BINGO…here we are? This is patent NONSENSE and violates plain COMMON SENSE. The MAIN arguments in the theory of EVOLUTION are so fragile that they can be dismissed with numerous arguments, but this following simple argument is more than enough;
If EVOLUTION alone explains our existence then how come APES are still swinging in the trees? There is no valid or convincing answer for this FLAGRANT CONTRADICTION within that “ theory ”. Saying that we “ split “ off from a common ancestor would still not explain why the other ape line did not build skyscrapers before we did. As President Johnson once said;
“ You cannot SUCK and BLOW at the same time”.
Either we "evolved" from the more primitive APES or we did not. The fact that APES still exist or that they did not build skyscrapers before we did…cannot be explained by this theory.
Finally, we are no longer primitive camel drivers or sheep herders and we can accept the possibility and probability that the CREATOR GOD is an actual, real and physical being in whose “ image we were made “, as it says, and not just some imaginary, intangible or mystical entity.
GOD’S GREAT DESIGN OF LIFE SHOULD NOT BE INTERFERED WITH
One of the main consequences of this perspective about the origins of our design of life being the work of a CREATOR GOD or INTELLIGENT DESIGNER is that mankind should reconsider the way the mainstream medical community deals with catastrophic illnesses and cancer and the constantly newly emerging pathogens like the COVID-19 virus which has baffled the medical community and paralysed the entire planet. Their obsession with toxic drugs, burning radiation and slashing surgery is a flagrant and INEFFECTIVE failure. We should consider looking for a new and paradigm shift in the way we deal with these diseases and try to explore new ALTERNATIVE sciences which do not interfere with some of the very elements of this perfect and complex design of life that GOD gave us to protect us and eventually just provide it with a little help it needs to work at its optimal potential.
Cynics who argue that this design is not perfect because there is so much illness FAIL to accept that this is due to the numerous ways we have poisoned our environment and sabotaged this GOD given design… which still works perfectly in the vast majority of cases despite these attacks.
It is mankind’s divine duty and privilege to try to find better ways to deal with these illnesses and cancers and pathogens like these new viruses, and stop what I call the WANTON SLAUGHTER of so many of GOD’s children of all ages where millions of people die every year because of the current primitive state of knowledge about this design and the mainstream medical community's methods which interfere with some of the very components of this design of life which GOD gave us to protect us…this should be an embarrassment to our medical community.
One such non-intrusive and non-toxic ALT science is that of DR. RAYMOND ROYAL RIFE who back in the 1930’s cured many diseases and killed numerous pathogens and viruses using only RADIO FREQUENCY to destroy them. His methods were proven so obviously effective in a controlled clinical trial at USC in 1934 where he cured 16 out of 16 terminally ill patients, 14 with Cancer and 2 with Tuberculosis, that the A.M.A tried to buy shares in his company. When RIFE refused, the A.M.A. banned his method, and prosecuted doctors using it. Unlike other wild and unproven "conspiracy" theories about suppressed secret CURES, these groups ended up in a COURT battle where all of the evidence of how effective this was is a matter of public record…which is why it appealed to me as a lawyer.
Efforts to revive the science of RIFE have failed to date only because they have not EXACTLY duplicated his ORIGINAL work and have not used his original killer frequencies nor the other elements of his treatment protocol.
WE NEED A PARADIGM SHIFT IN HOW TO TREAT DISEASE
This is the type of alternative non toxic and non intrusive method which we should be exploring and COMBINING it with other alternative sciences such as the various forms of OXYGEN therapy which have already been proven very effective by the work of such brilliant doctors as DR. ROBERT ROWAN, DR. TULIO SIMONCINI and DR. DAVID WILLIAMS.
My own GOD given inspiration has been to ultimately combine such non toxic alternative sciences, use the existing programs GOD has given us and not interfere with them and finally create an elixir where we just provide this machine with the basic ingredients that it needs to work at its optimal efficiency and which I have labelled "PERFORMACAL". The PER stands for both the PERFORIN which the immune system produces to blow up diseased cells and pathogens and also for PEROXIDE as a source of OXYGEN which is our main agent of life and which also kills cancers and pathogens. The MAG represents MAGNESIUM and the CAL represents CALCIUM both of which along with water are the main effectors of our immune system.
I personally am on a relentless mission to have these ALT sciences properly tested because the mainstream medical community seems to be reluctant to do it since there is no MONEY in it for them and these ALT sciences are virtually free.
CONCLUSION
I hope that these arguments and observations help some of you struggling with this issue to finally resolve the confusion and get you to accept the LOGICAL conclusion of the existence of a CREATOR GOD…and if so, then welcome to the team !
There is PLENTY, unfortunately this clip doesn't do a good job of explaining.
There is not a SHRED of evidence for “macro evolution” – organisms evolving between kinds (ie fish becoming an alligator). All the evidence supports bounded variation within kinds (different breeds of dogs, Darwin’s finches, ect) but the kinds remain constant (different breeds remain dogs, Darwin’s finches were still finches, bacteria remains bacteria, ect) and in many cases even those variations mean-revert without conscious human intervention. If we buried a Honda, a Maserati and a Range Rover in the desert for a 1000 years and excavated them, you would tell me their similarities point to a common ancestor and you’d be completely wrong. Similar morphological features point to a common creator. In fact, if you really wanted to be scientific – extrapolating from prior observation and what we know for certain – your only conclusion would be that we are the result of a Creator. When we see a building we know it has a builder, same with a painting. Even if you never meet the architect/painter, the order of the creation testifies to the creator. Why do we fight so hard against applying this same causal relationship to ourselves? Evolution is just a fairy tale for sheep, reinforced by an ardently atheistic intellectual mafia
Why am I only seeing ad hominem attacks against this guy? Do you have any evidence that natural processes can create information which would completely disprove his argument?
LOL Behe is just a whining biased apologist. Ignore his nonsense.
No there isn't.
Try again.
Wow. Behe is lying again. Behe lied during the Dover Trial, under oath and he is still lying today. Pathetic. Wake me if he ever grows up and tells the truth.
Funny, I thought their god was perfect. If so, how is it that they think this universe isn't perfect too and has flaws?
"Devolution" isn't a thing that biologists recognise. The biological meaning of "evolution" is related to species changing over time in such a way as to survive. The word isn't related to "improvement." If a species must adapt to a changing environment by repurposing, throttling down, or purging genes, but such changes allow that species to survive, then we say that species evolved.
Darwin himself stated in his famous book that if certain things were ever shown to be true, then his theory was wrong, and those things have been discovered and proven to be true many times since. Believing Darwin's theory of macro Evolution is not proven science, but disproved even under Darwin's own words, but is part of the secular religion so must be treated as true.
Micro evolution is absolutely a thing and I have no trouble believing in that, and even in the long term changes it can bring. It's just the more significant changes I have trouble buying into, like gaining entirely new senses and organs and becoming a completely different creature. I just have a hard time seeing how even survival of the fittest can allow that. It has always seemed like a stretch to me.
But this isn't news. Creationist organisations like Answers in Genesis and Creation Ministries International have been saying this for years.
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Very good interview. When things devolve it means that they were better in the past. As we keep going back in time eventually we reach perfection. This is the way things were at the beginning when God finished creating on Day 6. Genetic entropy specifically speaks to this phenomena. It also is evidence that this degradation of the genome could not have been going on for millions of years. And one thing further, the answer to the question, "Who was Cain's wife?" involves genetic devolution.